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Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by naasking on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @08:30AM (#21333860)
> Interviewing Nick Bostrom was cringe worthy. I don't know what Joe was trying to achieve - maybe forming an argument against the simulation theory? But it was so bad.

Bostrom really failed there. He simply did not explain the argument very well. Everything Bostrom said is clear to someone who already understands the argument or has experience with statistics, but it was not at all a good explanation for someone who doesn't have the necessary intuitions to understand why they are more likely to be a simulated agent.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by nradov on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @08:43AM (#21333984)
I had the opposite impression. Bostrom is just making up nonsense, then dressing it with fancy words and big numbers to prevent people from calling out his bullshit. It's the opposite of clear. If you look a little deeper he has nothing meaningful to offer in any field.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by meowface on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:09PM (#21337221)
His argument is extremely clear. It's just unclear to anyone with absolutely no background knowledge, like Joe. He didn't explain it in the clearest way on the podcast because Joe was missing a lot of necessary basics, but if he sat down with Joe for longer and perhaps drew a diagram or something, I think he'd get it.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by nradov on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @03:10PM (#21337798)
Perhaps "clear" isn't the right word. Sometimes when someone is spouting total nonsense I initially assume that I didn't understand them clearly because obviously no educated, articulate person could actually be that stupid. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, right? But no, in Bostrom's case it's total unsupported bullshit all the way down regardless of whether he's talking about AGI / singularity / simulations / etc. A complete and utter waste of time. It's disappointing that he's managed to con so many otherwise intelligent people into taking him seriously and buying his books.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by meowface on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @05:33PM (#21339237)
Please refute his simulation argument and arguments related to AGI, then. I find pretty much everything he says to be supported and insightful. If so many intelligent people like and agree with him, maybe the issue is with your understanding of his arguments than with the arguments themselves.

How would one "con" so many intelligent people for so many years with purely logical arguments, exactly? An argument is either coherent and valid and sound or it isn't. There's no room for conning or personal charm or anything related to the person themselves.

Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by hnbroseph on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @03:30PM (#21337997)
my impression is that you seem to have an emotional commitment to your position. why do you say that bostrom is "that stupid" talking about "bullshit all the way down" and is "conning" people?
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by artiste on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:57PM (#21337685)
It is actually not that complex of an argument. Well, in the sense that it doesn't strike me as over intellectualized and/or over complicated.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by naasking on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:48PM (#21337024)
Actually, the simulation argument is solid. One of the three possibilities Bostrom outlines absolutely must be true.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by monk_e_boy on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @08:13PM (#21340401)
Well, Bostrom states that there will be more ideas in the future that may change the simulation theory. It's the latest most plausable theory.
Re:Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] by naasking on Thursday October 24, 2019 @08:27AM (#21343938)
It may change the probabilities of the various outcomes entailed by the argument, it won't change the argument itself or its conclusions.