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Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by gumby on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @06:13PM (#21328979)
I am shocked by how low Boston ranks and how well Austin does (note: I have worked on both but live and prefer it in the Bay Area). I know patents are being used as a proxy so are an imperfect standard but Austin isn't a huge place and Boston really is a powerhouse.

I'm also surprised, though less so, by NY's ranking -- but it's a huge diverse economy, plus has a lot of lawyers :-).

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by zaphod12 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @09:03PM (#21330080)
Keep in mind NY is massively larger than any of these other places. Per capita, it's actually pretty low.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by burlesona on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:41PM (#21329627)
I'm also surprised by Austin's rank.

I'm from the area, but moved to SF a while back for much better engineering work. I wouldn't mind moving back some day, but haven't seen many jobs or much upward mobility that would make me want to go back. There are a lot of tech companies but they are largely smaller / regional, or are the cost centers of bigger companies (support, back office stuff).

I get the impression that's changing, though. It would be great to see ATX keep booming and reach the level of say, the Seattle tech scene.

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by chrisco255 on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:21AM (#21331003)
Currently, Google has a 35 story building under construction downtown, Apple is expanding its Austin presence both with devs and manufacturing (new Mac Pro to be built here), Amazon and Facebook also expanding hiring here. A look at LinkedIn job openings shows VMWare, Walmart, Microsoft, Dell, Visa, Cloudflare, Mozilla, Auth0, Blizzard, and AMD all hiring here.

I think Austin still lacks HQ anchors of bigger tech companies save for Dell. But the developer presence is absolutely growing.

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by steveklabnik on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @08:57AM (#21334119)
I moved to Austin back in Feburary and I've met more folks from SF than folks from Austin.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by bsder on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:21PM (#21329481)
Austin is the 11th largest city in the US, now (quite a bit larger than Boston, for example). That's kinda big.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by burlesona on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:38PM (#21329607)
That's just not true.

Austin Metro is 2.17M people, Boston Metro is 4.88M. Boston is also part of the broader "Bos-Wash" chain of 50 Million people, while Texas has about 29 Million people.

Sources:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Austin

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Boston

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis

4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas

Disclaimer: I'm from Austin. My friends and family really think it's a big deal... but, it's only a medium deal :)

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by burlesona on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:44PM (#21329648)
Related: if you want to see how different urban areas stack up, this is the best list to use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_urban_ar...

By that list Boston is #10 and Austin is #37 in the US, which matches how different the two cities "feel" in my experience as well.

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by chrisco255 on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:23AM (#21331012)
Those numbers are from 2010. Austin has grown a tremendous amount since 2010.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by bsder on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:43PM (#21329640)
If you pull in that far for Boston, then you're pulling in San Antonio into the same metropolitan area for Austin. And my point still stands.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by burlesona on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:54PM (#21329697)
I'm sorry, that's just not realistic. The census folks know what they're doing, and when they map out the census areas they factor in the commuting patterns and economic overlap between these areas.

Austin and San Antonio are close by, but there's a noticeable gap, and nearly no one lives in Austin and works in San Antonio or vice versa. Austin and San Antonio don't have the same housing prices, salaries, etc. Contrast that to a place like DFW where the boundaries all blur together and people cross-commute all over the region, and consequently they're lumped together in the census area.

To put this one last way, the census area described as Boston is about 60 minute driving radius around the central city. On the best of times you could make it from downtown Austin to downtown San Antonio in ~80 minutes, and in practice they each have distinct commuting sheds of 45-60 minutes that partially overlap around San Marcos.

Austin is great, and also it's half the population of Boston :)

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by selimthegrim on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:40PM (#21329937)
The bigger question is why is Houston still a gigantic black hole techwise?
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by msandford on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @09:25PM (#21330195)
Because it's awash in oil money and big companies who want interchangeable cogs for their .NET machines.

It's also about institutional knowledge. It's (relatively) easy to find people in Houston who understand the value in spending $10mm to drill an oil well which has an 80%+ chance to make a single digit multiplier of your money. There's less cultural knowledge of spending that same amount of money for much smaller chance of a much, much bigger payout.

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by pm90 on Friday October 25, 2019 @05:01PM (#21359211)
It depends on what you're asking. Apple, Google etc. know that their employees probably prefer Austin so that's why they're there. A lot of software firms servicing Energy companies are based in Austin since its so close anyways e.g. https://mineralsoft.com/.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by chrshawkes on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:25PM (#21336202)
I see these false claims about size a lot, especially spread out huge Texas cities. A lot of people claim Dallas is bigger than DC but DC has way more people, especially if you add in Baltimore and or the millions driving down 95 every day.

I was recently in San Antonio and Austin. Both seem rather small compared to DC or Boston.

DC and Baltimore should effectively be added together into one hub and that puts it well into 3rd place and ahead of Dallas for actual urban areas.

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by enraged_camel on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:35PM (#21329590)
It's also one of the fastest growing cities in the US.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by mkhpalm on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:45AM (#21331784)
Austin is 30th largest. 11th right now is actually Phoenix AZ.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by bsder on Thursday October 24, 2019 @02:21AM (#21342135)
Wikipedia certainly disagrees with you, what is your source of data?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by mkhpalm on Monday October 28, 2019 @01:04AM (#21374425)
Mostly the US Census and the US Office of Management and Budget

I'm talking specifically about metro areas or "cities" by economic and statistical terms. What people mean when they refer to places like New York City, Chicago, Austin, Houston, LA, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistic...

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by swampthinker on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @10:22PM (#21330465)
I'll say it until I'm blue in the face, Boston built the Valley.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by C1sc0cat on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @06:26AM (#21333134)
Looks like some people haven't heard of Route 128 and not the Johnathon Richmond song either
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by deepnotderp on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:45PM (#21329656)
Austin has a deep tech network, especially around certain sub areas.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by gumby on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:52PM (#21329690)
That’s unquestionably true (UT is amazing, there are research labs, AMD, ApPle and more...) but it’s small. Perhaps I should have been more clear.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by ma2rten on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:28PM (#21329540)
You'd also think that LA would be up there.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by mdorazio on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:48PM (#21329670)
I've been thinking that for the 13 years I've lived in LA, and somehow the city still completely sucks at tech. Silicon Beach is basically a joke in comparison to any actual tech hub - the salaries suck, the companies are largely exactly what you'd expect from LA cliches (marketing, fashion, sports, entertainment, etc.), and the success stories are few and far between. These days it seems like there's more going on in Irvine than there is in LA. (If you don't believe me, just look at HN's "Who's Hiring" posts.)

Part of the problem is probably that LA is so close to the Bay Area - it's easy for tech talent to move up the coast or even semi-commute there instead of building a new hub.

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by bryanmgreen on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:26PM (#21330768)
As a native and current Angelino, if the city wants to grow tech, it needs capital. We don't have the businesses, can't keep talent, and cost of living is too high to survive without a good salary. Irvine, despite being an excruciatingly boring cookie-cutter place, is slightly cheaper to live and has the Silicon Valley overflow offices.

A lot of talent starts in LA, but it gets immediately poached by literally every other city. If you don't have a Hollywood tech job, it's grim. I really want to stay, but can see a realistic/near future where I leave. (But I'm not going back to Irvine ever again)

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by mdorazio on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:23AM (#21331014)
Right there with you - it seems like capital could flow the 300 miles south without much problem, but for whatever reason it just doesn't (I suspect it's at least partially related to the types of startups and founders in LA). Irvine is ok if you're a family-oriented corporate person, but for young tech talent it's the most soul-sucking Stepford Wives place this side of Plano, TX.

In my case, I ended up just not working in LA itself for half the time I've lived here. I've spent at least as much time working in the Bay Area, Austin, Seattle, Irvine, and now Portland as I have working in LA because the companies and compensation are just so much better elsewhere.

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by Teknoman117 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:57PM (#21329721)
I work at the Orange County office of a fairly sizable Bay Area company, and to be honest, I've not had an incredible amount of desire to move to the bay because the OC salary is basically the same (maybe better) after factoring in the difference in cost of living. That and in OC I can live 5 miles / 10 minutes from the office whereas I don't know how far/long I'd have to commute to live in the Bay.

Admittedly, I don't know what the OC startup scene is like, I've got student loans that can't be paid with equity...

Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by dv_dt on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:54PM (#21329703)
Their city region labels are odd. The paper is behind a paywall, but it seems like San Diego & Ventura Co should be added to LA, and Tuscon should be added to Phoenix/Mesa. Maybe they're there already, but it feels like not from their choice of labels (not sure what high tech is in Riverside)
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by gumby on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @10:49PM (#21330605)
I believe they are using census areas, which are constructed by looking at population and then how they connect (e.g. do a reasonably % of people commute within this region, etc).
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by jjeaff on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @05:36AM (#21332862)
Ventura County, maybe, but Sam Diego is hours away from most of LA.
Re:U.S. tech inventors are highly clustered because of idea ... by dv_dt on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @11:06AM (#21335361)
From Long beach you can get to San Diego as fast as San Fernando and Riverside.