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Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by jb775 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:39AM (#21324894)
I wonder how the Starlink latency compares to the current microwave technologies used by high frequency trading firms. Any slight latency improvement is a game-changer in the HFT industry.
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by Junk_Collector on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:44AM (#21324978)
This is a function of the permittivity of the material. A Vacuum is 1, the lowest possible. Air is 1.0006 so you won't see much difference.

Fiber optics of various types are usually on the order of 2 to 3 (closer to 2).

Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by windsurfer on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:58AM (#21325186)
Distance is still a huge problem. The Starlink signal still needs to travel up to the satellites 500 KM up, and then another 500 KM back down. That should be around 2 ms (thanks user jobseeker990, corrected from previous 15ms) of added latency, so anything that is already below 4 ms of latency probably wouldn't be improved.
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by jobseeker990 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:16PM (#21325423)
I think your math is way off. I'm getting less than 2 ms to go 500 km.
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by windsurfer on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:50PM (#21325852)
You're right, thanks. I was off by an order of magnitude. I've updated my comment
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by alextingle on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:13PM (#21325379)
Light travels 1000km in under 4ms. What else are you adding to that time?
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by windsurfer on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:51PM (#21325858)
I have updated my comment above. I was off by about an order of magnitude.
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by uoaei on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:30PM (#21325592)
That's true in vacuum. Light traveling through a medium has to reflect off of or absorb/re-emit from everything it bumps into, so it goes slower.
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by optimiz3 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:04PM (#21325263)
Would be fine with equivalency - that's a democratizing force. Will also spur more innovation in this area on behalf of HFT firms.
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by kbenson on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:01PM (#21325229)
Lower latency across the globe is likely irrelevant to people that colocate in the same data centers as the exchanges to reduce latency.

Then again, maybe it's useful for arbitrage between different exchanges, where they would likely have equipment next to each exchange, and have a wide distance between them.

Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by orbifold on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:18PM (#21325447)
In case you didn’t know: there are several dedicated microwave links between Chicago and New York just for that reason.
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by JulianMorrison on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:43AM (#21324949)
IIRC this is how they plan to finance it.
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by XJ6 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:06PM (#21325286)
You just made that up.
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by JulianMorrison on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @10:59AM (#21335292)
Why yes I make random shit up about how people plan to finance their low latency satellite constellations allla damn time. Ya got me. It's a fair cop guv.
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by mhh__ on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @05:21PM (#21328610)
If he was lying why would he say IIRC?
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by WillDaSilva on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:54PM (#21325904)
I doubt that, since I've also heard this claim several times.
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by hndamien on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @06:43PM (#21329200)
Maybe he just doesn't recall correctly.
Re:Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet by manicdee on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:01PM (#21329748)
I don’t recall SpaceX explicitly stating who they expect their customers to be, but fans quickly dredged up currency and remote stock trading as one potential major source of funding (single customers with huge budgets, rather than hundreds of homes on the cheapest plan)