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Re:NordVPN confirms it was hacked by danShumway on Monday October 21, 2019 @11:33AM (#21313448)
> Your IP address is a largely irrelevant metric in modern tracking systems.

I don't believe this for one second.

Your IP address on its own is not sufficient to identify you. That doesn't mean your IP address is not helpful in identifying you.

If you have Javascript disabled, it is a heck of a lot easier to identify you with a combination of an IP address, user agent, and OS than it is to identify you without the IP address cutting down the pool of potential visitors.

On top of that, if you're targeting me and do a geo-location of my IP address, it will get you within 5 miles of my house. That's close enough that you'll know which county I'm in, which with a few other easily-obtained pieces of information will let you pull up my voter registration, which will give you my exact street address.

Of course, you could mitigate this by setting up your own VPN on something like Linode, but unless you're regularly rotating IP addresses, you've just traded a pseudo-identifier that multiple people/devices share for a persistent identifier.

This argument comes up all the time, and I have never heard anyone explain it in a way that passes my sniff test. If you want me to stop using a VPN, you need to do a lot better than just claiming that IP addresses don't matter -- you need to show some kind of evidence to back that up.

Re:NordVPN confirms it was hacked by orbital-decay on Monday October 21, 2019 @12:13PM (#21313967)
If you have Javascript disabled, it is a heck of a lot easier to identify you because you're one of the very few who disabled Javascript.
Re:NordVPN confirms it was hacked by danShumway on Monday October 21, 2019 @12:32PM (#21314216)
Eh. If you're enabling JS because you think it's going to help you blend into the crowd, I am skeptical that you understand how powerful JS fingerprinting actually is, particularly around cache abuse and super-cookies.

You don't need to go all the way, but the very least I would advise turning on the resist-fingerprinting config in Firefox. At a minimum, block things like canvas/webGL. You're making yourself more identifiable by doing so, but the alternative is worse.

Now, if you're not using a VPN, and you're in a rural area, and you're on Linux/Firefox with Javascript disabled -- sure, I definitely buy that I could do some pretty decent correlation with that info. That's why VPNs (for all their flaws) still matter.

Re:NordVPN confirms it was hacked by orbital-decay on Monday October 21, 2019 @12:49PM (#21314402)
Sure, I do understand that, and yes IP hiding does matter. I'm merely pointing out that disabling Javascript (and eventually enabling some set unique to you, to un-break a broken site) is just another way to leak some bits one might want to be aware of. Faking the common fingerprinting vectors known to expose you uniquely is possibly a better way... until the new ones are found. I don't know. The leaking bits need to be carefully accounted for, and you don't know the site userbase for sure to blend into the largest cluster possible. I don't think that fingerprinting is something that can be fought by the end user efficiently, besides the very obvious things like blocking the major vectors.
Re:NordVPN confirms it was hacked by danShumway on Monday October 21, 2019 @12:53PM (#21314456)
That's a good point.

> Faking the common fingerprinting vectors known to expose you uniquely is possibly a better way...

I wish there was more research being done around this. I appreciate what Firefox is doing, and I assume there are good reasons for their fingerprinting strategies. They know more than me about this stuff. But... it still sets off some alarm bells in my head. It seems like it would be strictly better to spoof location/canvas/microphone data instead of only blocking it.

Re:NordVPN confirms it was hacked by bduerst on Monday October 21, 2019 @01:10PM (#21314672)
Yes and no.

Disabling javascript is like wearing a ski mask in a crowded mall.

It makes you much more obvious and easier to track, but harder to identify on the outset.

Re:NordVPN confirms it was hacked by concordDance on Monday October 21, 2019 @12:24PM (#21314120)
Are there really so few of us? It feels like there should be millions of us: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/noscript/
Re:NordVPN confirms it was hacked by neop1x on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @10:56AM (#21324304)
modern "web apps" written purely in tens of MB of javascript complicate it a bit
Re:NordVPN confirms it was hacked by dx034 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @09:28AM (#21323348)
But who wants to put in the effort to develop tracking for non-JS users? In reality, most will just ignore the few users that don't want to be tracked. Even ublock origin should be enough for most.

However, IP is certainly used. I know of a few cases where IP is at least used as a filter. Most websites won't see that many users from one IP address.

Re:NordVPN confirms it was hacked by sumedh on Monday October 21, 2019 @06:53PM (#21318451)
> Your IP address on its own is not sufficient to identify you.

Wasnt there a story yesterday that FBI tracked some a guy who had logged into Jihadi forums with the IP, knocked on the door with a copy of a passport of the guy's dad.