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Re:California Can Expect Blackouts for a Decade, Says PG&E CEO by non-entity on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:17AM (#21311354)
Not sure why you're downvoted. I tend to think of leftist as relating to left wing ideologies (socialism, Marxism, communism, whatever), but in many internet enclaves, it seems to refer to being on the further and of the American Democrat party.
Re:California Can Expect Blackouts for a Decade, Says PG&E CEO by Izkata on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:11AM (#21311841)
Correct-ish. In the US, "left", "liberal", and "Democrat" have been related for so long that they've been nearly synonymous for a good two decades. Which isn't the case in almost any other part of the world.
Re:California Can Expect Blackouts for a Decade, Says PG&E CEO by dragonwriter on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:21AM (#21311927)
> In the US, "left", "liberal", and "Democrat" have been related for so long that they've been nearly synonymous for a good two decades. Which isn't the case in almost any other part of the world.

In most of the world (outside of some one party states where the ruling party shifts with the poltiical winds to avoid losing dominance, like Mexico when it was under one-party rule), especially in multiparty democracies, the association of ideologies with parties is much stronger and more consistent than in the US. That aside, the dominant ideology of the Democratic Party has actually been consistent for a little over two-decades, but that ideology is center-right neoliberalism, not leftist. “Lefist” has mostly been associated with the Democratic Party because of the propaganda efforts of the even farther right party, not because of any real substance. It's only recently (since about 2014) that a faction even vaguely leftist has given any significant challenge to the dominant center-right faction of the Democratic Party.

Re:California Can Expect Blackouts for a Decade, Says PG&E CEO by rayiner on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:47AM (#21312167)
That’s all correct, but you’re choice of starting point is a bit misleading. FDR was not a center right neo-liberal. There was a brief interregnum during which Clinton and Obama governed as center-right economically and center-left socially.

To someone who grew up during that period, the allegations of socialism from the right never made any sense to me. It was only recently when Democrats started fighting to distance themselves from Obama that I understood the criticism from the right. I would also argue that you’re understating the profound shift that has happened in the last two years. The Green New Deal is an openly socialist document, and every Democratic candidate has committed to supporting it. It’s again the party of FDR, not the party of Clinton or Obama.

Re:California Can Expect Blackouts for a Decade, Says PG&E CEO by jakelazaroff on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:20AM (#21312533)
> The Green New Deal is an openly socialist document, and every Democratic candidate has committed to supporting it. It’s again the party of FDR, not the party of Clinton or Obama.

We’ll see about that. No sweeping legislation has been introduced, and words are cheap. I’m not convinced that many of the Democrats who support it now won’t suddenly find reason to water it down or oppose it when they need to put their vote on the record. It looks like Democrats are becoming the party of FDR again, but I don’t think we’re there yet.

Re:California Can Expect Blackouts for a Decade, Says PG&E CEO by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @06:05AM (#21321924)
> That’s all correct, but you’re choice of starting point is a bit misleading.

The commenter who made the accusation of present leftism chose the time period of interest (the last couple decades.) Discussing within that frame rather than changing the subject to the distant past isn't "misleading".

> FDR was not a center right neo-liberal.

FDR died more than 70 years ago.

I mean, I might just as relevantly point out that Thomas Jefferson was a follower of the kind of old-school liberalism that modern center-right neoliberalism seeks to return to in reaction--at least within the Democratic Party--against center-left progressivism.

> There was a brief interregnum during which Clinton and Obama governed as center-right economically and center-left socially.

Well, except the Democratic Presidents governing from the economic center-right include Carter, as well; 1977-2008 isn't all that much shorter than 1932-1968 (the FDR-Johnson period). It was no "brief interregnum".

> To someone who grew up during that period, the allegations of socialism from the right never made any sense to me. It was only recently when Democrats started fighting to distance themselves from Obama that I understood the criticism from the right.

But the criticism you didn't understand didn't concern the times that you describe it as making sense. So...how did the later change validate it?

> I would also argue that you’re understating the profound shift that has happened in the last two years. The Green New Deal is an openly socialist document, and every Democratic candidate has committed to supporting it.

(1) The shift didn't happen in the last two years, more like the last 5.

(2) You are overweighting establishment candidates seeking deny candidates challenging the establishment ground to fight from, while burying substantial differences in policy below the level of headline positions; its a fairly standard strategy. Also, the GND is not, in any case, an "openly socialist" document; it does endorse both environmental and social-democratic goals, but does within a capitalist framework.

> It’s again the party of FDR

I think you are jumping to conclusions on the flimsy basis of early primary campaign strategy.

Re:California Can Expect Blackouts for a Decade, Says PG&E CEO by Consultant32452 on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:53AM (#21312228)
We have centrally planned currency, education, military, pensions, increasingly food and healthcare. We have among the farthest left immigration policies of any wealthy state and at the federal level among the farthest left abortion laws. When people say the US is on the right they generally mean we have guns and some semblance of private healthcare. I think the idea that the US is right leaning or that Democrats are anything resembling center right is an illusion put forth by far left socialists.
Re:California Can Expect Blackouts for a Decade, Says PG&E CEO by C1sc0cat on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:58AM (#21311727)
More standard centre right positions (in UK /EU terms ) in a lot of cases - Pres Obama was in UK Terms a on nation Tory like Rory Williams or Ken Clark.
Re:California Can Expect Blackouts for a Decade, Says PG&E CEO by habnds on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:40AM (#21311569)
I had some speculation about what the term is so flexible originally that I removed in the interest of actually hearing what people think :)
Re:California Can Expect Blackouts for a Decade, Says PG&E CEO by kuzimoto on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:34AM (#21311516)
Yes, "leftist" is referring to the most radical part of the Democratic party, which is trending more socialist. So both parts are correct.
Re:California Can Expect Blackouts for a Decade, Says PG&E CEO by habnds on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:46AM (#21311620)
That is what I think, but in usage, for instance here, the person is identifying Cali as a bastion of leftist policies and I don't think Cali is particularly far left.

Harris, Feinstein and Pelosi are all pretty center, until 2011 they had a Republican governo,r and these tech companies and their values are decidely not liberal.

Further, Cali is home to some very conservative politics, Devin Nunes is way out there as is Kevin McCarthy.

The idea of leftist doesn't seem consistent with the usage.

Re:California Can Expect Blackouts for a Decade, Says PG&E CEO by tropo on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:12PM (#21316754)
Since you don't think California is particularly far left, I'd love to know your list of states that are. Where would you rank California?

Perhaps pondering that question will trigger a recalibration.