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Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by almost_usual on Sunday October 20, 2019 @02:10PM (#21305878)
It’s because we already have highways and our car culture is hard to change. Highways were also originally built for national defense with the economic benefits as a secondary force. Defense projects traditionally get tons of funding in the US.

Convincing a generation that witnessed two world wars to back a massive defense project wasn’t difficult.

Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by ghaff on Sunday October 20, 2019 @02:39PM (#21306108)
>Highways were also originally built for national defense with the economic benefits as a secondary force.

That's the standard story. From what I've read though, Eisenhower wanted to build the Interstate Highway System for a number of reasons of which defense was only one--and possibly a fairly minor one. But he knew that playing up the defense angle was a good strategy to get the plan passed.

Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by Jagat on Sunday October 20, 2019 @02:52PM (#21306214)
Roads were built in the ancient Rome mainly for troops, horses, and chariots to travel with ease for battles and defense. Similar story.
Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by ralphie02 on Sunday October 20, 2019 @02:33PM (#21306062)
Can you elaborate on the national defense? How is the highway useful with defending the country? Defending from who?

I can only think of highways as secondary runways for planes but I'm unsure as to how much that helps your case.

Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by steve19 on Sunday October 20, 2019 @02:40PM (#21306117)
Wars are won with logistics not guns. Getting troops and supplies across the country would be key to defending it from an invasion.

The interstate highway system was built in part for military purposes and partly designed by the Army:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System

Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by thrower123 on Sunday October 20, 2019 @03:52PM (#21306600)
The only reason that I-95, for instance, extends as far as it does, is because of the Strategic Air Command bomber base in Limestone, ME. A lot of the other more nonsensical routings of the interstate system make sense when you take into consideration where strategic bases were located in the 50s and 60s.
Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by ghaff on Sunday October 20, 2019 @02:41PM (#21306133)
Evacuating cities in the event of an atomic attack was also cited as a reason though that obviously seems questionable as well. As I wrote in another comment, the defense justification was probably mostly just a way to get the help get the act passed.
Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by bobthepanda on Sunday October 20, 2019 @03:53PM (#21306616)
Katrina and Harvey showed that at best, evacuating cities with highways is an extremely long, drawn out process that will most likely leave the most poor and destitute (who don't have cars) totally stranded.
Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by ghaff on Sunday October 20, 2019 @04:04PM (#21306692)
Yes. Basically you can't rapidly evacuate cities. Maybe highways help a bit but, if you can barely handle commuter traffic on a given workday, you're certainly not going to completely and quickly evacuate a city if there's some threat--and that's before you even get to the issue of people who don't own cars.

So the idea that highways would be useful if there were an imminent threat of nuclear attack looks pretty silly.

Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by bobthepanda on Sunday October 20, 2019 @06:43PM (#21307821)
It depends on how quickly and how far you need people to evacuate.

Lower Manhattan on 9/11 was evacuated mostly by foot and sea, with over half a million evacuated by boat alone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_response_following_Se...

Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by slededit on Sunday October 20, 2019 @04:44PM (#21306989)
They don't completely solve the problem, but it would be much harder to evacuate the cities without the highway system in place.
Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by bobthepanda on Sunday October 20, 2019 @06:32PM (#21307740)
Rail has upper capacity in the ranges of 60-90k passengers per hour, whereas car lanes are in the range of 2-3K passengers per hour in free flowing conditions. Granted that 60-90K figure doesn't involve people trying to shove furniture, pets etc. into their vehicles, but you could move quite a lot more with rail.
Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by slededit on Sunday October 20, 2019 @07:03PM (#21307927)
Rail is also used as part of the evacuation, but most people will want their car so they can carry enough supplies to last for the evacuation period. In fact one of the most egregious aspects of the Katrina disaster was New Orleans explicitly told Amtrak their trains were unnecessary [1].

>"We offered the city the opportunity to take evacuees out of harm's way," said Amtrak spokesman Cliff Black. "The city declined."

[1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09...

Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by jtokoph on Sunday October 20, 2019 @02:48PM (#21306183)
It provide ways for military vehicles to cross the country easily and long stretches of highway could be used as aircraft runways.
Re:Taiwan managed to build high-speed rail. Why can't Califo... by hollerith on Sunday October 20, 2019 @02:36PM (#21306083)
War puts enormous strain on a country's ability to move things around the country.