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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by Aloha on Saturday October 19, 2019 @02:56PM (#21300075)
> Move forward to today: a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market, they do not have sex, they have no hope of getting into a relationship. The reverse is not true for women, who have countless options and can at any time open their phone and have their pick of men.

I'm very skeptical of this. Attractiveness is sort of a constant across population, and sorts into several bucketed gradients, its not as if there are suddenly a ton more attractive women or unattractive men than there was before 2012 - there does however seem to be fewer situations where people can meet via traditional means however.

Now if you want to argue that non-conventionally beautiful women are not connecting with their counterparts on the male side, that might be a more interesting discussion - but one I dont think that can be proved out with data.

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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by ronnier on Saturday October 19, 2019 @03:01PM (#21300095)
Study after study show that women rate the majority of men as unattractive whereas the scale is pretty balanced for men’s views of women attractiveness. In general, there’s no longer social or religious pressure for people to pair off so women flat out don’t pick those unattractive men.

Women are the selectors. Men tend to take whatever they can get.

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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by MrsPeaches on Saturday October 19, 2019 @03:17PM (#21300176)
Do you have a source for this? Any decent meta-analyses?
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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by big_chungus on Saturday October 19, 2019 @03:43PM (#21300332)
I believe these are the data to which he is referring. Published by okcupid, which is probably one of the better data-sets which you could hope for, given the topic.

http://web.archive.org/web/20170307114500/https://theblog.ok...

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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by faissaloo on Saturday October 19, 2019 @03:45PM (#21300347)
I believe they were referring to this OkCupid study: https://web.archive.org/web/20180419093226/https://theblog.o...
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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by EliRivers on Saturday October 19, 2019 @03:05PM (#21300125)
I see unattractive men getting married every day.
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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by ronnier on Saturday October 19, 2019 @03:08PM (#21300137)
It’s a generality, not a solid rule. The statics show this.
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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by EliRivers on Saturday October 19, 2019 @03:11PM (#21300155)
So there's no reason for any one individual to look at these statistics and from them deduce that there's no point even trying? If they're just generalities and unattractive men routinely beat these odds, anyone choosing to drop out of the market has only themself to blame.

SF; where people can be convinced they'll beat incredible odds and become tech millionaires (billionaires), but give up on dating because the odds are slightly against them. These are the same people who buy lottery tickets but forego seatbelts, presumably.

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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by username90 on Sunday October 20, 2019 @07:32AM (#21303510)
Men typically don't date to find a marriage partner, they date to get sex. Saying that unattractive men have good chances to find a wife doesn't solve the problem unattractive men have getting casual sex. There are of course some men who date to find a wife and most men will do that at some point in their lives, but they are drowned out by all the men desperate for sex.
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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by username90 on Sunday October 20, 2019 @07:28AM (#21303490)
Marriage prospects has very little to do with dating prospects. The reason is that men want more casual sex on population levels so relatively few attractive men can supply most women leaving the rest out, but for marriage each man gets paired with one woman forcing women to settle with "unattractive men".
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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by tibiapejagala on Saturday October 19, 2019 @03:15PM (#21300167)
Attractiveness is constant, but how it is perceived might have shifted. I vaguely remember that OkCupid did some "study" that men rate most woman around average attractiveness and the distribution is symmetric, but women rate most men as below average attractiveness and the distribution is skewed towards unattractive.

The post seems to be gone though.

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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by big_chungus on Saturday October 19, 2019 @03:44PM (#21300341)
Archived copy; very telling: http://web.archive.org/web/20170307114500/https://theblog.ok...
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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by ronnier on Saturday October 19, 2019 @03:19PM (#21300181)
The data was so damning the purged it, basically it said there’s no reason for most men to be on dating sites, which works against Okcupids best interest. There are mirrors.
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Re:Public-Health Puzzle: Young People Having Less Sex, Contr... by repolfx on Sunday October 20, 2019 @05:03AM (#21303008)
It didn't say that actually. Whilst men may be nearly all rated as less attractive than average by women (lol), women are still more likely to message less attractive men than men are women. So men can use dating sites, especially if they're willing to hit on average looking women, they'll just have to put up with a partner who is convinced she compromised physically.
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