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Re:Samsung: Anyone's thumbprint can unlock Galaxy S10 phone by andrewla on Thursday October 17, 2019 @03:05PM (#21285336)
I'm not sure why you're downvoted -- I don't agree with your conclusions, but many of the sibling posts are making grand statements about "biometrics are usernames" while disregarding the threat model entirely.

I do disagree with a couple of your conclusions though, because the attacks you describe are all targeting you as an individual. There's a much broader class of attacks that should be worrisome -- adversaries seeking _any_ compromise of _any_ individual. Like getting a dump of passwords from neopets or something and trying all those passwords on Chase.

For that kind of adversary, password is vulnerable, and biometrics is secure. And that kind of adversary is by far the most dangerous and prevelant. Especially biometrics in the Apple secure enclave model, where the key material is secured by the biometrics but is very strong -- far stronger than a password can be.

Re:Samsung: Anyone's thumbprint can unlock Galaxy S10 phone by tjoff on Thursday October 17, 2019 @05:50PM (#21286667)
For phone login and such you can't really attempt a password without being physically in front of the phone anyway, so any device from any individual doesn't really apply, in this case.
Re:Samsung: Anyone's thumbprint can unlock Galaxy S10 phone by perl4ever on Thursday October 17, 2019 @07:23PM (#21287274)
"For that kind of adversary, password is vulnerable, and biometrics is secure."

The applications I'm familiar with, the password takes precedence. It doesn't require password and fingerprint.

The thing is, if you add an extra factor, either you are required to use all of them, in which case it increases the risk of being wrongly locked out, or you are required to use any of them, in which case it increases the risk of the wrong person getting in.

Re:Samsung: Anyone's thumbprint can unlock Galaxy S10 phone by mantap on Friday October 18, 2019 @06:21AM (#21290102)
I have an iPhone (fingerprints) and Android phone (password only). My adversary: my jealous girlfriend.

I found it functionally impossible to secure the android against my girlfriend as she could watch me enter any code or password multiple times.

She was not able to get into the iPhone, because the biometrics prevented her from being able to view the passcode being entered.

Summary: biometrics are a reasonable substitute for a trusting relationship. :)

Re:Samsung: Anyone's thumbprint can unlock Galaxy S10 phone by perl4ever on Friday October 18, 2019 @07:16AM (#21290334)
Don't you ever find that the fingerprint recognition fails? And in that case, can't you use your passcode? If not, then you're locked out.
Re:Samsung: Anyone's thumbprint can unlock Galaxy S10 phone by mantap on Friday October 18, 2019 @11:21PM (#21296581)
It fails very rarely mostly if my hand is wet. Yes you can use the passcode and you are required to enter the passcode at lease once a week by design. But opportunity for shoulder surfing is reduced by a factor of hundreds since I probably unlock my phone 100 times a day.