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Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by rubbingalcohol on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:28PM (#21284992)
Facebook's Community Standards are the antithesis of free expression.
Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by bitwize on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:32PM (#21285028)
It's 2019 and "free speech" is now widely considered a dogwhistle word for "white supremacy".
Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by dmix on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:34PM (#21285047)
I was reading up on that Extinction Rebellion group (the ones disrupting traffic and blocking commuters from using public transit) and their book blamed 'white supremacy' as one of the causes of climate change as well.
Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by jlawson on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:39PM (#21285095)
In the far-left worldview, all society-scale problems can be traced to the moral turpitude of straight white men.
Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by minikites on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:44PM (#21285149)
They're overwhelmingly represented in positions of power so yes, it is them causing the problems, by definition.
Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by dmix on Thursday October 17, 2019 @11:50PM (#21288495)
Just to he clear, you think that is a central cause of most the problems in society?

I get the whole equity of opportunities argument, there's some legitimate grievances there. Where you people lose me is when it gets into vindictive and punitive territory by working against anyone successful for some vague and needlessly destructive form of 'progress.' I'd much rather the world lifts themselves up together instead of punishing and destroying our way to equity of outcomes, which usually means everyone being worse-off.

Meanwhile no one gives a shit about the 93% male/7% female workplace death rates in these conversations.

Neither of which sounds very pro-worker to me.

Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by minikites on Friday October 18, 2019 @06:00AM (#21289996)
I'm not saying "the problems exist because they are white", I'm saying "they are in power, they have the responsibility to address these problems, they are not addressing these problems, therefore it is directly their fault these problems still exist".
Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by merpnderp on Thursday October 17, 2019 @03:00PM (#21285302)
If you believe that, you’re believing in straight up racism.
Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by damnyou on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:41PM (#21285122)
Not all of them. but a big chunk, yes. It's not specific to straight white men — if it were, say, straight Japanese men ruling the world then the blame would be laid on them.

Ultimately, the left view is largely correct, which is why I'm on the left.

Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by smt88 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:50PM (#21285215)
This is both untrue and likely to start a flame war.

You're likely thinking of the debate over reddit, YouTube, and Twitter policy changes, where the people banned were largely white supremacists.

Of course in those specific debates, "free speech" was being conflated with "the right to say racist stuff on private companies' networks".

Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by dmix on Thursday October 17, 2019 @03:03PM (#21285316)
Of course it starts with the actual bigots and racists. It's how they forever expand the meanings of various terms to "anyone I don't agree with" is when it starts getting ridiculous and dangerous. It's a predictable outcome with plenty of evidence supporting it.
Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by rubbingalcohol on Thursday October 17, 2019 @03:15PM (#21285436)
Kind of like how the existence of terrorists and pedophiles justifies putting backdoors in all encryption. It ends at a place where all your rights get eroded away, and doesn't even end up protecting anyone anyway.
Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by dmix on Thursday October 17, 2019 @03:20PM (#21285466)
The 'terrorist' label is a great example of how the meaning of terms get conveniently expanded and broadened for political ends.
Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by smt88 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:11PM (#21286818)
However ridiculous or dangerous their rules are, they're the right of private corporations in the US. The First Amendment protects public speech from govt censorship. It does not require private entities to broadcast everyone's speech equally.
Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by dmix on Thursday October 17, 2019 @07:50PM (#21287411)
There's always one person who makes this comment like it's an original thought and useful contribution.

I'm talking about culture, not law. The US and the west in general has always had a strong free speech culture.

It'd be ridiculous to only rely on a law limiting government as the thing that defines what is and is not okay.

There's a reason this is being called our generation's 'culture wars'.

Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by smt88 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @09:44PM (#21287946)
I do make this comment a lot because free speech advocates on HN seem to think that private companies are compelled by legality or morality to equally broadcast all speech. A private company has limited resources and a right to choose for whom it uses its platform.

Would you say a music venue is harming speech by refusing to host a racist metal band?

And what is your proposal to fix this? That we extend the First Amendment to include private organizations, which essentially trampels their right to speech?

If you think we should break up monopolistic publishers, like Facebook, then fine. But that's not going to make extremists good for business. No one wants to swim in a pool people are peeing in.

You've rightly identified a culture war, but you haven't provided a good reason that the status quo in the US should change.

Also, re: the history of free speech: there were morality laws as recently as the 90s in the US that made it illegal to say certain things in public. You couldn't burn a flag for a significant part of US history. As far as the government is concerned, speech has never been freer here.

The thing most of you seem to object to is that the invisible hand doesn't like certain ideologies.

Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by quotemstr on Friday October 18, 2019 @10:11AM (#21291500)
Private companies are morally bound to uphold free speech norms, and in some cases, they're legally compelled to do so as well: see Marsh v. Alabama. It seems obvious to me that social media companies provide "virtual town squares" and that sooner or later they'll find themselves bound by Marsh- or Pruneyard-style requirements to uphold free speech. The alternative is to have a de jure but not a de facto right to free speech.
Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by bitwize on Thursday October 17, 2019 @04:59PM (#21286314)
Calvin Wong, an actor from Crazy Rich Asians, said that the backlash against the NBA and Blizzard for their deference to the PRC is going to foment "American Free Speech", meaning racism.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ithayla/status/118233018734349107...

Re:Zuckerberg asserts Facebook stands for free expression by smt88 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:03PM (#21286757)
Calvin Wong != "widely"