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Re:In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace by dangus on Thursday October 17, 2019 @01:56PM (#21284639)
I would guess that the high level of religious affiliation in the United States is somewhat abnormal for a developed and wealthy country.

Can you find another Western nation out there with similar levels of religious affiliation?

I think I see this decline as a correction. It's not actually normal to have so many people finding religion important to their lives in a large, connected, developed society. The USA's unique history and geography lent itself to high levels of religious affiliation, but since the Internet has connected us all a little closer, it's been harder for religious institutions and religious parents to prevent younger people from obtaining unfiltered information.

Enjoyable secular rituals are also easy to find if you look right in front of you - the Thanksgiving Day parade, the SuperBowl, Halloween and Trick-or-Treating, Valentine's Day, city-wide marathons, County Fairs, street festivals, etc...the list is nearly endless.

And tradition itself isn't a religion or belief in something. The fact that the Catholic church has you cross yourself, stand and sit at specific times, or eat a cracker are not examples a belief in anything, they are physical ritual and tradition. One can partake in all those activities without having a thought in their mind. There are also secular traditions that have no root in surviving religions, like putting a tree in your house during the holiday season. Plenty of atheists put up "Christmas trees" because it's fun!

Re:In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace by simonsarris on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:10PM (#21284820)
There are so many implied claims in what you say, it is difficult to give a response. We would almost certainly be talking past each other.

> I think I see this decline as a correction. It's not actually normal to have so many people finding religion important to their lives in a ...

Why use that as your normative base? Why not say that everything after, say, Descartes or Jesus or the printing press is abnormal level of religion, and that we are in a lull of divinity? Why do you think anything about the religiosity of anyone in the last 1-30 centuries is normal?

> in a large, connected ... but since the Internet has connected us all ...

Are we in a large, connected society? Has the internet really done as you say?

Re:In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace by dangus on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:28PM (#21284994)
The normative base I’m talking about is the religious importance levels in various countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_coun...

The United States is one of the most religious countries for being as wealthy and developed as it is. Many of the similarly developed nations that remain religious are the oil theocracies.

As I mentioned, the Internet has allowed people to read opinions beyond their own filtered literature. A religious school or household won’t buy books that question religion. But an entire generation (the millennials shown in the article) grew up with Internet connections that largely took them beyond those filters.

I know that part is speculation on my end, but eliminating the Internet’s role in inter-connectivity as a possibility is an odd hypothesis. I have friends in Japan in shared interest groups for Japanese pop stars, how would that have happened before the Internet? Writing letters?

Re:In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace by tzs on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:10PM (#21284823)
I haven't found any good source of religious affiliation data, but if instead we go by what percentage of the population say that religion is important in their life, a lot of Western nations had a higher percentage than the US according to a 2009 Gallup poll [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_coun...

Re:In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace by dangus on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:38PM (#21285089)
Not many. You’ve got Italy, the seat of the Catholic Church, and Portugal. The rest that are higher are not in the same class in terms of development or wealth, like Greece and Moldova.