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Re:How Can a Star Be Older Than the Universe? by brutt on Thursday October 17, 2019 @07:27AM (#21280877)
Where is the waves? 13.8B years is too short to make Universe smooth again after such epic event. It's like to see green grass again just 1 second after nuke blast: mathematical formulas will need lot of magic constants for this to explain.
Re:How Can a Star Be Older Than the Universe? by madaxe_again on Thursday October 17, 2019 @08:37AM (#21281355)
The universe isn’t smooth. The CMB is not uniform, and at a very large scale the universe is composed of attractors and voids, which stem from the anisotropy of the early universe.
Re:How Can a Star Be Older Than the Universe? by brutt on Thursday October 17, 2019 @08:51AM (#21281469)
For me, CMB is just light of distant stars with z=1100. Universe is composed of attractors and voids at any scale.

Anyway, I see no shockwave of any kind in CMB. Where it is? Such massive explosion, with energy of 1E53 atomic bombs and no shockwave at all just miliseconds (in scale of Universe) after the Bing Bang. How this is possible?

Re:How Can a Star Be Older Than the Universe? by XaspR8d on Thursday October 17, 2019 @09:19AM (#21281696)
What exactly are you looking for when you say shockwave? As far as we understand it, the big bang didn't explode into something, so there isn't an outer medium to "hold" a shockwave in the obvious sense of a radially expanding region of turbulence.

Also the frequently depicted diagram of expanding from a point doesn't really intend to depict the shape of it. The universe might still be infinitely large and the big bang occurred "everywhere" within it. Where is the shockwave in something that has no edge?

Re:How Can a Star Be Older Than the Universe? by madaxe_again on Saturday October 19, 2019 @03:18AM (#21297297)
The shockwaves are everywhere - you, right now, are in a density node.

Inflation wasn’t something that happened from a single point - it happened as a result of vacuum collapse, spontaneously, all over the place. Some of these inflationary zones went much faster than others, and where they intersected, regions of increased density, and therefore matter, occurred.

The filamentary nature of the very macroscopic universe reflects these shock intersection zones - they’re full of galaxies. We think that the voids are likely centred around points where inflation occurred.

So yeah. You’re the shockwave. Sorry man.

Here’s a decent vid from PBS Space Time where they explain some of this nice and clearly - I recommend their channel generally if these topics interest you. https://youtu.be/72cM_E6bsOs

Re:How Can a Star Be Older Than the Universe? by zentiggr on Thursday October 17, 2019 @09:06AM (#21281581)
Look into the inflationary portion of the BB timeline, and also add in the fact that those shockwaves have had the same 13.8B years to expand and dissipate. The CMB variations _are_ the remnants of that initial period, attenuated after all this time.
Re:How Can a Star Be Older Than the Universe? by yorwba on Thursday October 17, 2019 @09:05AM (#21281567)
What do you expect that shockwave to look like? Circles expanding from the center of the explosion?
Re:How Can a Star Be Older Than the Universe? by brutt on Thursday October 17, 2019 @09:45AM (#21281971)