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Re:Fake doctor saved thousands of infants and changed medica... by eru on Thursday October 17, 2019 @07:12AM (#21280805)
> A literacy test in early 20th century would already exclude a lot of poor people by definition.

That's actually an empirical statement, it wouldn't be by definition. (Unless by poor you mean "can't read", then it would be by definition.)

Re:Fake doctor saved thousands of infants and changed medica... by bonoboTP on Thursday October 17, 2019 @12:32PM (#21283721)
I observed that "by definition" is on its way to becoming one of these emphasis phrases, like "literally", no longer literally meaning what they used to.
Re:Fake doctor saved thousands of infants and changed medica... by eru on Thursday October 17, 2019 @10:48PM (#21288241)
Yes. Though even in its literal meaning 'by definition' is a weaker statement than 'by evidence'. At least in any argument outside of mathematics.

Most of the time the 'by definition' argument just gives you a True Scotsmen.

Take the classic: all men are mortal (by definition in Ancient Greek), Socrates is a men, thus Socrates is mortal.

As an empiric argument, this would make sense. But the Greeks tried to reach 100% certainty. Mortality was included in their definition of a human (otherwise you'd be at least a semi-God or so.) Of course, that just shifts the uncertainty to the second part: we can not be sure that Socrates is indeed human by that definition, until he actually keels over.