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Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by philwelch on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @06:28PM (#21276698)
I don't think it's been convincingly argued that ranking or recommendation algorithms necessarily represent any sort of editorial bias. The purpose of these algorithms is to rank content based either on a prediction of what the individual user would want to see based on their existing history or on which content is more broadly engaging in general. In other words, if YouTube decides I really like to watch Ben Shapiro owning the libs with FACTS and LOGIC, that doesn't mean YouTube is making an editorial decision to promote that content, it just means YouTube has profiled me as some sort of conservative. If YouTube profiled me differently, they would be equally happy to recommend TYT videos or whatever.

There may be some editorial bias introduced if the userbase of a given social media site is themselves skewed in a particular direction. For instance, there seems to be some skew in the content that shows up on my Tumblr dashboard that seems fairly irrespective of anything I've subscribed to. But even that isn't necessarily damning for Tumblr, because they're not necessarily making an editorial decision to promote that content.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by ikeyany on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @07:24PM (#21277188)
These platforms (these meaning the ones with the most market cap) need to be advertiser-friendly in order to grow. They inherently require editorial bias.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by philwelch on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:22PM (#21278654)
I'm not an expert on advertising, but I suspect these concerns are often overblown. There are YouTubers who get demonetized--presumably because their content isn't "advertiser-friendly"--who still manage to get individual sponsorship deals. If these companies were serious about being a "common carrier", they would invest more money into developing an advertising market where advertisers could pick and choose the content they wanted to advertise and less money into demonetization.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by afiori on Thursday October 17, 2019 @05:50AM (#21280332)
demonetized video still get ads, it is a two tier system where ad space on demonetized videos is lower in price.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by philwelch on Thursday October 17, 2019 @10:11PM (#21288070)
Even if that’s true—which I somewhat doubt—YouTube basically makes demonetized videos disappear in terms of recommendations. They don’t admit it but every YouTuber I’ve seen get demonetized confirms that views basically stop after demonetization, aside from subscribers.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by rjf72 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @03:07AM (#21279608)
There's a very simple solution here that avoids any and all bias and hidden agendas: simply make everything transparent.

- Users get to create their own profile. For instance in your profile you get to selected whether you would like to see content geared towards men/women/any. And this would follow for a whole slew of other topics, similar to the opaque profile companies are creating on users today without their consent or input.

- All recommended videos have all their profile tags openly shown. And the reason for recommendation is also completely open.

The cool thing about it is that this also works really well with the current neural network based recommendation systems since they output a weighting of things. Simply transform those weightings into a nice output and the user can see exactly what's going on and exactly how they're being viewed. As a nice aside this would also remove a big chunk of the incentive for increasingly aggressive spying as companies try to get ever more extensive profiles on each and every person that uses their products.

One downside here is that users might not be consciously aware of their own preferences. This could again be resolved transparently. "Hey PhilWelch, we've noticed you like videos about underwater basketweaving. Would you like for this interest to be ticked in your profile? [Yes, No, No + Never ask again]

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by Nasrudith on Thursday October 17, 2019 @08:55AM (#21281492)
That would be awesome for advanced users but unfortunately bad for mass ergonomics. A shockingly high percentage have never cracked open the settings page even once.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by rjf72 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @11:17AM (#21282934)
Why would it be hidden away in some settings instead of right in your face with a nice fat button "Change how my videos are recommended..."? Even beyond that though, most online platforms today offer very limited general customization - and so there's not much reason for users to go digging through settings. They are designed to work primarily with the default configuration, and so that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.