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Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by dTal on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @06:02PM (#21276416)
Is this a rhetorical question? Yes, it is the world I want to live in. If the business operates within the context of healthy competition, then while they are free to refuse service, others are equally free to boycott it. This democratizes social norms. I don't want to force gun shops to sell to people they have a bad feeling about (say, because they have a racist tattoo), and I don't want a law that attempts to distinguish between "good" iffy feelings and "bad" ones.

If on the other hand the company is a monopoly and no reasonable alternatives are available, then it is de-facto infrastructure and should be more stringently regulated for impartiality, as is the government (and frankly such companies are a problem anyway, and should possibly be adopted by the government when they reach that size). The DMV isn't allowed to turn you away for a swastika tattoo, and neither should the electric company. But a baker? Absolutely.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by growse on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @06:51PM (#21276886)
The problem with this seemingly simple philosophy is that it results in minorities being ostracised. "Democratising social norms" turns into "Outlawing anything the majority won't tolerate". Suddenly you have towns where black people can't live, because no-one will do business with them. Sure, "healthy competition" should solve this problem - there's money to be made! But people are not perfectly economically rational. We are tribal creatures of prejudice, predisposed to subconsciously reject and suspect anything or anyone as "different".

Laws are often made to protect minorities, because history shows us time and time again that an unchecked majority of people can be real dicks.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by waterhouse on Thursday October 17, 2019 @10:10AM (#21282213)
> Laws are often made to protect minorities, because history shows us time and time again that an unchecked majority of people can be real dicks.

Under democracy, a majority of people can decide what laws there are, and inflict their dickishness as they wish. Laws are often made to oppress minorities. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

See also part I of this essay: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/02/21/current-affairs-some-p...

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by growse on Thursday October 17, 2019 @03:52PM (#21285736)
While there are obvious exceptions, much of the time the majority has some empathy with traditionally oppressed minorities and votes for politicians who make laws to protect them.

> Under democracy, a majority of people can decide what laws there are

Also worth pointing out that under most democracies, this isn't true. The people decide which people should decide what laws there should be. It's an important difference.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by wolco on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @07:39PM (#21277309)
How far do you want to go? Should a company be forced to offer products to minorities? Say a comb maker who creates combs for the straight hair market should they be forced to offer hair picks? Not doing so leaves them ostracised.
Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by mijamo on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:45PM (#21278754)
In France it is straight illegal to refuse to sell to a customer without a legitimate reason. Whether a reason is legitimate is up to court interpretation but not liking the skin color or sexual orientation would not qualify. A racist tattoo at a shoot range would probably.

And it doesn't cause any trouble. B2B is not concerned obviously.

Re:Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work by asjw on Thursday October 17, 2019 @03:49AM (#21279826)
As far as possible.

Of course companies have to offer products to minorities, have you ever seen parking spots for handicapped people in the mall?

Of course a restaurant has to ask you if you have some intolerance before serving you food that could contain allergens.

USA Better start to learn that 300 millions people don't make the entire world.