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Re:U.S. carried out secret cyber strike on Iran after Saudi ... by monocasa on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:50AM (#21271707)
In the framework outlined by Micheal Hayden in his blackhat keynote, offensive attacks like disabling missile batteries or power grids are acts of war, but espionage and intelligence gathering are on the table as what nation states just sort of do when idle.
Re:U.S. carried out secret cyber strike on Iran after Saudi ... by hannasanarion on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @02:52PM (#21273993)
Does Micheal Hayden consider firing missiles at another country an act of war?
Re:U.S. carried out secret cyber strike on Iran after Saudi ... by monocasa on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:02PM (#21274117)
Which country fired missiles at us again?
Re:U.S. carried out secret cyber strike on Iran after Saudi ... by hannasanarion on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:41PM (#21274604)
The cyber attack was a response to an Iranian missile attack on Saudi oil production facilities, in which 19 missiles struck the facility, injuring an unknown number of the 200 people who were present.

I'm not saying that the US should be stanning Saudi Arabia, but it seems inappropriate to hem and haw about what is and isn't an "act of war" when actual literal missiles blew up actual literal people.

Re:U.S. carried out secret cyber strike on Iran after Saudi ... by monocasa on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:52PM (#21274733)
Missiles not shot at us, not proven to have been from Iran, in a conflict we're not part of.

And the issue is that cyber attacks _are_ real attacks. Power outages like you've seen in Egypt and Venezuela kill people. These cyber attacks destroyed missiles. The stuxnet attack did 10s to 100s of millions of dollars to a uranium production facility. To pretend that flipping a switch to launch a missile and and flipping a switch to launch a virus to destroy the same target is somehow different is a false dichotomy, and contrary to published US policy.