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Re:Still Manufacturing Consent: An Interview with Noam Chomsky by luckylion on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @09:48AM (#21270263)
> If the were factually based and told both sides I guess I'd be OK with it.

Do you have an example of a message that you'd be okay with?

Re:Still Manufacturing Consent: An Interview with Noam Chomsky by tempguy9999 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:21AM (#21271326)
I'm a brit and I suppose I'd describe myself as a remainer. That is itself a label which I don't like, but let it ride.

So an example message I'd be OK with is if bojo (boris johnson) had said that the uk gives 160 million (or 199 million[0]) a week to the EU, instead of his claim that it was £350 million a week (which deliberately and dishonestly ignored the rebate), I'd be OK with that.

I fear that tribalism is a disease that's damaging both the UK and the US at the moment; make your point with facts as far as possible.

[0] dependng on how you count, I've heard both figures

Re:Still Manufacturing Consent: An Interview with Noam Chomsky by luckylion on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @01:10PM (#21272762)
I guess that would quickly end up being a judgement call, since there are barely any things that aren't connected to other things, so mentioning a single fact without mentioning the others could be said to be deliberately ignoring the other.

And since we typically vote on our shared expectations, "no false claims" would probably mean everybody has to shut up. That might be a good thing, I don't know. I don't believe in the power of elections to bring about change (whatever party wins will have very little room for maneuvering), so maybe removing the loud and divisive parts of them might be helpful. Basically: if they don't help, we can at least make them less harmful.

Re:Still Manufacturing Consent: An Interview with Noam Chomsky by tempguy9999 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @02:23PM (#21273631)
Lies are lies. Some are more evident than others. This was blatant. If you do not care about facts and truth then don't complain about the world you're allowing to be created by liars. Don't complain about shoddy products sold as good quality, don't expect contracts to mean anything, don't complain when politicians are dishonest. Do expect a race to the bottom, that bottom being a very ugly place.