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Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by sails on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @06:16AM (#21268807)
Why are taxis given special treatment in cities? As a cyclist & public transport user it really frustrates me. In London they serve a tiny minority and cause the bulk of the congestion relative to the population they serve.

What would the outcome be of a total taxi ban in a major city? I imagine strikes, outcries etc, but no major disruption to the net ability for people to get around.

Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by bjourne on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:01AM (#21269430)
> Why are taxis given special treatment in cities?

Many handicapped people are dependent on (subsidized) taxi services.

Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by sails on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @09:24AM (#21270047)
Very good point, addressed further down / [here](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21269488)
Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by abdullahkhalids on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @07:35AM (#21269242)
I am a public transit person also, but come on, there are lots of valid reasons for there being taxis, such as minor medical problems, bad weather, unsafe conditions at night, having to transport packages etc.

It is indeed annoying that the rich just use them all the time, but I won't advocate cutting off the nose (preventing the rich from using taxis) to spite the face (letting regular folks using it for an emergency).

Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by sails on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:42AM (#21269714)
> valid reasons for there being taxis, such as minor medical problems, bad weather, unsafe conditions at night, having to transport packages etc.

Agree with these, and have been glad for an on demand ride service for some of these, but I feel that these are the likely a small percentage of the total use, and that the system currently biases towards a catering for a minority indulgence rather than a general public good.

Agree that it is a spiteful proposal. I'm very frustrated by the slow pedestrianisation of London, and the taxis are a key piece of this.

I'm trying to find some example of how other Western European cities have pedestrianised their cities and dealt with the issue of taxis.

Edit: A further thought: In London, taxis are given the same privilege as buses (they can use the bus lane). This comes to the crux of my issues with cabs in the city. I think the service can exist for the reasons indicated, but giving _an empty taxi_ the same privilege as a _full bus_ speaks to a decision made with different priorities. Not only does this slow down the 100x more people in the buses but it encourages use of taxis as a "rich person's bus" alternative to the tube.

Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @06:30AM (#21268882)
>Why are taxis given special treatment in cities?

Because they are point to point transportation for the elderly and disabled.

Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by sails on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:10AM (#21269488)
Very interesting point, it seems that black cabs are specifically required to cater for the disabled [0].

I wonder what the utilisation of taxis by elderly and disabled looks like as a percentage of the total rides. I think finding some mechanism that reduces congestion while catering for this would be attainable.

[0] https://www.gov.uk/transport-disabled/taxis-and-minicabs

Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by viraptor on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @06:48AM (#21268973)
What do you mean by tiny minority? I feel like I'd have a problem finding an employed person in London who never used a standard black cab.
Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by Brakenshire on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @07:10AM (#21269096)
A very small percentage earn enough to be able to use them regularly. One five minute trip costs more than a TfL day pass.
Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by greggman2 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:44PM (#21272436)
Is it possible they all use them once every few months? For example I've gone to a store, bought something rather large, and took it back to my apartment in a cab. I don't take a cab daily be I do take one once or twice a month. Note: I could try to get it delivered, that would generally require me taking a day off from work to be home for the delivery. With a cab I effectively get to choose the time.
Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by lhopki01 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:42PM (#21272397)
Hi you've found me. 11 years working in London without taking a black cab. Taken an Uber once in those 11 years.
Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by sails on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @07:33AM (#21269230)
I don't know of anyone using them _regularly_, or really at all for that matter.
Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by viraptor on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @06:34PM (#21276739)
Ok, fair enough. I understood that as people not using them at all. I'm not surprised though - taxis are great for situations where you can't easily use public transport /for reasons/. Using them all the time is indeed for tiny minority. (And that's... Fine with me)
Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by ulfw on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:11AM (#21269496)
Then how do you get in and out of London with lots of luggage from the airport? And please don't tell me 'schlepp 40kg up and down the tiny tube corridors and stairs and into crowded Central Line'.
Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by vertis on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @10:55AM (#21271033)
As someone who has been a tourist in London multiple times, I've never done anything other than catch public transport in and out. Be it Heathrow or the other airports, they're all very accessible by public transport. More so than a lot of other international airports (for example Melbourne Tullamarine)

If you fly in internationally the Heathrow Express also quickly deposits you at St Pancras. Unfortunately, despite the speed, it's not worth the additional cost in my opinion.

Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by sails on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:45AM (#21269740)
I've done exactly that, no one's idea of fun, but what if you can't afford the alternative?
Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by lghh on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @09:06AM (#21269892)
Then you don't do it
Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by michaelt on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:25AM (#21269598)
In theory, in cities without good metro systems, taxis are the train-station-to-business-district-or-hotel link needed for business visitors and tourists to travel by train rather than driving directly.

Whether the same logic applies in London (which has a world-class metro system) is debatable, of course.

Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by Shivetya on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:08AM (#21269482)
because in many cities they companies are held by very influential people who pretty much have a local politician or more in their pocket.

the real danger in my city isn't taxi or uber/lyft, it is the ebike rentals. they are currently banned after dark and have caused over two hundred calls for injury to Atlanta fire services, plus four deaths involving the bikes

Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by dangus on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @09:12AM (#21269946)
That sounds bad but I encourage caution in using statistics this way as Atlanta is a big place.

How many traditional bicycle deaths happen in Atlanta per year? How many calls for bicycle injuries happen a year?

Just saying that e-bikes have 200 injury calls and 4 deaths is insufficient information to hold any opinion on them.

Georgia has over 4 automobile deaths per day.

Re:Banning cars on SF’s Market Street, once a radical idea, ... by vertex-four on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @10:42AM (#21270865)
How many of those injuries and deaths were due to a car?