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Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by DoreenMichele on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:59PM (#21266648)
I'm a woman who was homeless for nearly six years. Homeless women also are at high risk of being raped, which is one of the reasons you see relatively few women on the street compared to men.

I was never raped while on the street.

I also have lived without a car for more than a decade and accepted many rides from strangers. None of those rides ended tragically either.

I get told a lot I'm just lucky. It's a left-handed way of assuming a woman has no idea what she's talking about and can't possibly be competent.

Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by lazyasciiart on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @02:50AM (#21267735)
> I get told a lot I'm just lucky. It's a left-handed way of assuming a woman has no idea what she's talking about and can't possibly be competent.

No. It's a straightforward way of assuming that you are not actually in complete control of the universe and it doesn't matter how competent you are, things could have worked out differently. If you'd like to assert that you actually have perfect methods of identifying and avoiding Ted Bundy and any other potential psychopath, then you are going to have to show a lot more evidence than "and I'm ok!" - because it is an extraordinary claim.

Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by DoreenMichele on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:09AM (#21267841)
I'll give you another extraordinary claim: I appear to be the only openly female member of HN to have ever spent time on the leader board.

The leader board is 100 names long. I've been here over a decade and was not an early adopter, so the site is more than ten years old. There have been, no doubt, quite a lot more than a 100 people who have spent time on the leader board. So one openly female member out of more than a 100 names is less than one percent.

For comparison:

This is a list of Women CEOs of the Fortune 500, based on the magazine's 2019 list. As of the date of publication, women held 6.6 percent of Fortune 500 CEO roles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_CEOs_of_Fortune_...

According to historical surveys, HN is an overwhelmingly male space. For example:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=591309

Yet, I continue to be told by people on HN that I somehow need to prove to people that I know how to handle myself when interacting with men and my claims that I know how to deal effectively with men in social settings is bizarre, unfounded, ridiculous and so forth. I find this profoundly baffling.

Please skip the part where multiple men pile on to inform me that my ability to score "useless internet points" on a "stupid forum" is irrelevant to this discussion. To my mind, it is the single strongest piece of evidence that I can present that people here should be able to readily see as real evidence of ability and skill on my part and not just more anecdotal claims that cannot be verified. So that's why I'm bothering to post this, in spite of the very long history of awful, dismissive replies any time I talk about this stuff.

The handle that was briefly on the leader board is here and shows that I joined in July 2009: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=Mz

Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by lazyasciiart on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:32AM (#21267975)
I'm a woman, but I also have absolutely no idea why this would be relevant. If it helps to explain, I would disbelieve any person on that leaderboard who said they would definitely be able to identify any Ted Bundy types. I don't think that skill exists.
Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by DoreenMichele on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:35AM (#21267985)
The vast majority of rapes are not committed by Ted Bundy types. This is a detail I already addressed elsewhere. Most victims know their assailant socially.

Nowhere have I claimed any ability to "identify Ted Bundy types." Suggesting this is my claim amounts to putting words in my mouth.

Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by partyboat1586 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @05:19PM (#21275866)
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Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by xmprt on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:17PM (#21266736)
Are you claiming that women are in control of whether or not they get raped?
Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by DoreenMichele on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:24PM (#21266777)
I'm claiming that a long track record of success is probably not pure luck.

Occam's Razor.

One factor in me not being raped while homeless was that I was usually not alone. There is safety in numbers.

Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by ALittleLight on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:49PM (#21266888)
The city in the US with the highest rape rate is Anchorage Alaska with 200 rapes per hundred thousand people. Without taking into account any of many relevant complications, that's a 0.2% chance to get raped annually, or a 99.8% chance of not getting raped.

Suppose a woman went 6 years in Anchorage. There's a 99.8% ^ 6 chance of her not getting raped. 98.8% chance in other words.

Would a woman who had not been raped after 6 years in Anchorage persuade you that Anchorage wasn't a more dangerous place than most?

Your comment here is hard to grasp given your previous comment. Mexico has a significantly higher crime rate than the US. As you acknowledge, being by yourself makes you more vulnerable. Being young makes you more vulnerable. A young girl hitchhiking by herself in Mexico is incredibly vulnerable. What are the odds that she will be raped or murdered over a few months of traveling? They may be 10 or 20%. They may be higher!

The fact that a girl had the most likely outcome happen doesn't prove or suggest anything. You can play Russian Roulette and you'll have a 5/6 chance of surviving. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to play. If someone plays three rounds, that doesn't make it safe.

I hope you'd agree that members of vulnerable populations should take extra precautions to mitigate their vulnerability. As per your own example, staying with other people in dangerous times and places.

Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by DoreenMichele on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:59PM (#21266927)
Your statistical gymnastics is a case of how to lie with statistics.

Most rapes aren't cases of random strangers grabbing you randomly off the street. That's not how that works.

Most rape victims know their rapists. It's usually a social acquaintance of some sort.

Most college campus rapes or date rapes involve alcohol.

There is this narrative that we can't try to talk about what women can effectively do to protect themselves because that would be blaming the victim. But if you tell someone to lock your door to make it harder for someone to rob you, we don't have the same problem with such advice. We don't get all up in arms about how robbers just need to keep their hands to themselves and advice to protect your belongings is somehow victim blaming.

Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by ALittleLight on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:38AM (#21267088)
I don't really know what we're arguing about at this point so I'm tapping out.

I agree that it's good and not victim blaming to offer advice to people, regardless of their gender, as to how they can live safer lives.

I agree that, in the US, most victims know their attacker. That doesn't mean it's safe for young women to hitchhiker in Mexico though. Similarly, you are vastly more likely to be killed by your own gun than any random gun out there. That doesn't mean you have nothing to worry about if some random stranger points a gun at you.

Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by DoreenMichele on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:44AM (#21267127)
That doesn't mean it's safe for young women to hitchhiker in Mexico though.

I never claimed what you are seemingly rebutting at all. I never said anything of the sort whatsoever.

I only suggested that this particular woman probably wasn't simply lucky. She was probably doing some things right that helped keep her safe.

It's an entirely different idea. It's the difference between saying "Lion tamers have lion taming skills and aren't merely lucky that they usually survive their shows." Versus "Because lion tamers exist, random people with zero lion taming skills are equally safe being locked in a cage with a lion."

Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by partyboat1586 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @05:22PM (#21275916)
Lion tamers are also regularly killed and or maimed by their lions.
Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by DoreenMichele on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @05:26PM (#21275947)
The word usually in that sentence admits to that outcome.

Nowhere have I claimed any of this is "bullet proof." Just that consistent positive outcomes suggest an element of skill and knowledge that claims of pure luck erroneously dismiss as not existing at all.

Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by partyboat1586 on Friday October 18, 2019 @05:20PM (#21295183)
Fair enough there is an element of skill. It's still a foolish idea to be a Lion tamer.
Re:I just lost my wallet on the way home from work by fulafel on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:49AM (#21267146)
Given a long enough time in risky circumstances (vs a few months of single-mode behaviour, hitchhiking, in your example) the experience would start to get pretty compelling. I think the cited six years is probably good enough to get a good feel for the risk level, especially since you presumably hear about other incidents from peers and develop an intuition for risky situations.

edit: data tangent - if your Anchorage stats were about reported cases, the averages would need correcting for underreporting.