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Re:YouTube Regrets by fortran77 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:24PM (#21263989)
YouTube does have problems, but I'm not sure what Mozilla tries to accomplish by hosting this once-sided set of gripes. The first one I saw was from a father concerned that his daughter would watch dance videos and would want to become more physically fit. A healthy response would be to say "Great! Now let's find a gym or studio where you can do this safely, effectively, and work toward your goals."

For my young children, I hand select videos for them. Videos I've watched or know about. Just like parents have done for kids for the past 30 years or more.

Re:YouTube Regrets by FragenAntworten on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:58PM (#21264376)
If you're referring to the gripe I've copied and pasted below, I read it differently - it sounded to me as though the father is concerned about anorexia.

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My 10-year-old sweet daughter innocently searched for “tap dance videos” and now is in this spiral of horrible extreme “dance” and contortionist videos that give her horrible unsafe body-harming and body-image-damaging advice. I’ve tried to go in and manually delete all recommended videos, put in parental controls, everything (including blocking the app) — but she’s finding ways to log on using browsers and school computers. These terrible videos just keep being recommended to her. She is now restricting her eating and drinking. I heard her downstairs saying “work to eat! work to drink!” I don’t know how I can undo the damage that’s been done to her impressionable mind.

Re:YouTube Regrets by michannne on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:31PM (#21264064)
It really isn't that difficult to spend an afternoon or a weekend curating playlists of content for your kids, the difficulty comes from the recommended feed, which can show things wholly unrelated to the video. It's trivial to set up a script to remove the feed on PC, but on mobile it's another story and I'm not sure many parents want to go through that mess.

Sounds like there is a selling opportunity there.

Re:YouTube Regrets by Swizec on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:41PM (#21264178)
We were raised by TV. Come home after school and watch re-runs of 90's American sitcoms, Discovery Channel, History Channel, some Cartoon Network. Watch TV, do your homework, snack around, then your parents come home 3 or 4 hours later and your freedom stops.[1]

Today kids are raised by YouTube.

The crucial difference is that when I was a kid there was common consensus that hey maybe we shouldn't play the goriest and sexiest things on TV between 2pm and 7pm when kids are watching.

YouTube doesn't have that. Yet. I'm sure eventually it will have to.

[1] I learned more than I care to admit about human interaction, personal relationships, and how the world works from American TV shows. But I also learned so much English that people often confuse me for a native speaker.

Re:YouTube Regrets by dathinab on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:07PM (#21264482)
The problem is that YouTube tries to have that and fails.

For once kids I had been spoken with (~12y) where aware that there are thinks they don't want to see.

But then we have that problem that it's no longer obvious what is "bad" and what isn't. For once youtube removes/age locks videos which are obvious not teen safe (gore, porn). But this mainly gives a illusion of safety.

The problems are normally not the obvious "bad" videos but such which seem to be fine. Except that they aren't because they either change their stile/content midway or are bad in a more subtile way.

EDIT: Just to be clear old TV also had manipulative content, but this was normally only about advertisements and politics due to curation. YT has manipulative content of cults of all kind, often with noticeable risks to mental and/or physical health. And the politically motivated manipulative content seems to have become much more wild/dangerous as it's practically way less restricted.

Re:YouTube Regrets by ygjb on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:02PM (#21264408)
> Just like parents have done for kids for the past 30 years or more.

Parents traditionally haven't though. They relied on rating systems for television content and movies to efficiently screen out content that might be unsuitable for children. These voluntary rating systems were formed in different countries, at different times, for different media (e.g. video games, movies, television, and comics each have their own). It's important to note that these generally accepted rating systems were created as a voluntary measure to avoid widespread regulation of content.

Parents for the last 30 years didn't hand select movies to watch, they read the synopsis, looked for the rating, or asked a friend or employee at the video store for the rating of the content. They used a recommendation system, but that system was a fair bit more interactive. It's anecdotal, but in my high school and university days I worked in video stores, over about an 8 year period - translates into literally hundreds of user education sessions talking about how rating systems work what they cover and don't cover, and regional differences since Canada uses different ratings than the US and often had both a Canadian rating and a US rating.

Your "healthy response" statement also clearly comes from a position of reasonable economic privilege - I can also indulge my childrens interests, and do regularly through sports and other activities, but for the majority of middle class families, that kind of indulgence is out of reach due to the cost.

It's just not economically viable for most families to enroll their kids in something to help them "learn about it safely", any more than most families have time to create curated lists of content (which requires a degree of technical proficiency that is also somewhat challenging for many people).

Re:YouTube Regrets by B-Con on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:51PM (#21264303)
There's a lot of context you had to make up to arrive at that interpretation for the first hand account you read.