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Re:YouTube Regrets by sysbin on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:21PM (#21263958)
Free will is an illusion but you can continue to postulate otherwise. You can feel like you’re responsible while not really being true in both situations.
Re:YouTube Regrets by maratd on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:29PM (#21264043)
> Free will is an illusion but you can continue to postulate otherwise.

Then you won't be mad at me for down-voting your comment? It wasn't my choice!

Re:YouTube Regrets by sysbin on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:30PM (#21264061)
I'm curious why you think I would care in the first place if that's your attitude.
Re:YouTube Regrets by unkulunkulu on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:44PM (#21264219)
This is the path of irresponsibility, leads to not caring, what denying it really accomplishes? You really will argue that you can’t even try acting otherwise? Reminds Ice T from rick and morty schwifty :)
Re:YouTube Regrets by syssbin2 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:51PM (#21264307)
Nope, a person with the childish attitude that the person exhibits is a clown in either mental capacities of understanding free will is an illusion or not. Understanding free will is an illusion increases analysing how you are as a person and in my opinion makes you become a pacifist.
Re:YouTube Regrets by maratd on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:45AM (#21269739)
> analysing how you are as a person and in my opinion makes you become a pacifist

This contradicts your argument. If there is no free will, you can't make yourself become anything.

Re:YouTube Regrets by sysbin on Saturday October 19, 2019 @04:08AM (#21297417)
That's not what I wrote. People who understand free will is an illusion become pacifists.
Re:YouTube Regrets by kbutler on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:42PM (#21264194)
If free will is an illusion, then the influence of the algorithms is also illusory. Furthermore, Google had no choice but to create the algorithms as they have, therefore holding them (or anyone) accountable for any harm is meaningless.

Much better to act as if free will is not illusory, and do what we can to improve things.

Re:YouTube Regrets by syssbin2 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:49PM (#21264276)
I disagree and that's very much a strawman argument. I still want to improve things and even when knowing free will is an illusion.
Re:YouTube Regrets by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:26PM (#21264010)
> Free will is an illusion but you can continue to postulate otherwise

Aren't you implying free will by saying a person "can continue to postulate otherwise"?

Re:YouTube Regrets by sysbin on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:29PM (#21264040)
postulate: suggest or assume the existence, fact, or truth of (something) as a basis of reasoning.
Re:YouTube Regrets by unkulunkulu on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:46PM (#21264243)
To really live up to your philosophy you seriously need to completely abandon modal verbs in your language
Re:YouTube Regrets by unkulunkulu on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:39PM (#21264159)
The conundrum is in the word “can”
Re:YouTube Regrets by syssbin2 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:47PM (#21264257)
I guess "will" would have been better.
Re:YouTube Regrets by ARandomerDude on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:28PM (#21264025)
Depends on what you mean by "free will." Natural liberty, moral liberty, ultimate sovereignty...
Re:YouTube Regrets by sysbin on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:36PM (#21264117)
You're not free in any of those situations.
Re:YouTube Regrets by ARandomerDude on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:53PM (#21264333)
Curious where you're coming from -- Materialistic determinism? Hyper-Calvinism? Something else?
Re:YouTube Regrets by syssbin2 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:59PM (#21264384)
Hard determinism
Re:YouTube Regrets by ARandomerDude on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:02PM (#21264412)
Caused by?
Re:YouTube Regrets by tomc1985 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:23PM (#21263972)
Ok. How? And are we talking predestination or simply external locii of control lack of free will?
Re:YouTube Regrets by kayza on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:30PM (#21264056)
There is the narrating self and the experiencing self. The narrating self makes up stories from the information that the experiencing self feeds to it. The important thing being that the experiencing self cannot judge, it just... experiences. Takes in every bit of sensory information and let’s the narrating self make up the story it thinks matches the experience one goes through.

Now, imagine the sensory overload you get when stuck on YouTube, showing those reviews, unboxing videos, whatever to you - or more precisely, to your experiencing self. At some point your narrating self will make up the story and then you end up paying 15k for camera equipment... of course, it’s your choice, right?

EDIT: https://medium.theuxblog.com/the-peak-end-rule-ff7246115248

Re:YouTube Regrets by muxator on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:50PM (#21264290)
Thanks for this explanation and for the link.

Once younlook at the ad-driven economy from this point of view, it becomes harder to be condescending.

Re:YouTube Regrets by sysbin on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:33PM (#21264082)
This is a good explanation of the situation OP went through.