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Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by agumonkey on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @04:45AM (#21256651)
> , at workplace because being more intelligent makes you faster at identifying problems and solving them.

Don't know my IQ but I grew up with a taste and habit of thinking and trying to solve problems, and in some workplaces people want to complain and not solve problems. Weirder than that, if I offer the solution free, they react half negatively (maybe insulted, or shamed ?), and later they may even complain that I stopped offering solutions.

Extremely damaging to my mind.

Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by squarefoot on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:38AM (#21256896)
Been there done that, in some places being good at solving problems makes some people think you're attempting to damage them. That attitude is common among workers who aren't good at their job and have no intention to learn, so they see you as an obstacle rather than an opportunity to ask questions. In sane working environments, should some of them get at war with you that wouldn't be a problem since you're better and if a choice among one of you must be taken the result would be obvious, but I've found and experienced on my own butt that when someone reaches a technical position without having the necessary knowledge it usually means he or she is much more socially skilled than you, or has very strong connections with people who take decisions, both aspects making that "enemy" impossible to beat. When you smell a situation like that, just leave asap: any attempt at fighting the war will consume you from within without giving anything in return, except maybe a better knowledge on how to avoid that in the future. Not sure if it's worth the pain, though: in one really bad situation I've experienced somatized hemorroids for nearly one month before I finally decided to quit, and two days after taking that decision they were completely gone and never returned.

Then in some other rather corrupt places, money is made by dragging the solution ad infinitum or close to it, because penalties for missed releases are crafted in a way that makes delays still more profitable than finishing in time (easier when supplier and customer are "in the same bed" and money comes from the government), so that if you offer a quick solution you immediately see people looking at you like you were a bank robber. Oh the irony:)

Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by agumonkey on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:00AM (#21257019)
Note that this wasn't an engineering position, just an input operator gig, so they weren't hired for skills nor due to network. It just happen that we were all in an Excel Hell and I happened to VBA myself out of some pits.

There's a weird social dynamic that I don't fully understand.. maybe it's fatigue causing lack of desire to learn how to make your job easier and feel inferior .. who knows

Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by philpem on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:07AM (#21257047)
It could well be a fear of automation.

Automating part of the process may reduce the drudgery, but there's an existential fear from some people -- that if a part of their job can be automated, they'll be made redundant. Or the boss will ask them to do more work, faster, for the same pay.

Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by agumonkey on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:44AM (#21257220)
The automation seems unlikely (I wasn't fixing the whole task, more like removing pain points) but the potential workload increase is very probable
Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by chrisco255 on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:39AM (#21256903)
Navigating the social dynamics to influence change should be looked at as just another puzzle to solve. Maybe not a puzzle that is always solvable though. It's probably best to look at your ideas as a poker hand. Playing the hand correctly improves your odds but does not guarantee any particular outcome.
Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by agumonkey on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @05:58AM (#21257002)
It makes me sad, you cannot imagine how much I'd love a friendly help-sharing environment. A "We're all in this together" thing.[0]

I don't like to see life as a game of trick.

[0] tbh people also have various emotions so I could have tried to take this into account but I was too ~immatureat the time

Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by SolaceQuantum on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @06:45AM (#21257224)
Q: what techniques have you incorporated to mitigate the negative response to your helpfulness?
Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by agumonkey on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @07:52AM (#21257530)
none
Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by SolaceQuantum on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @08:27AM (#21257686)
Have you considered exploring such avenues? Thanks for your time.
Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by agumonkey on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @09:54AM (#21258342)
yes it just happened that I didn't run into a similar situation at work (mostly because I didn't work)

that said personal relationships have the same issue, you feel like something could be done but people resist even considering your inputs.. which gives me the idea that most people want to be heard first rather than have solution brought to them

Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by SolaceQuantum on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:34AM (#21258820)
Have you considered that maybe your understanding of the problem is actually incorrect, since your solution of providing input before hearing someone out is not working?
Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by agumonkey on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:32AM (#21259517)
I'm often guilty of this, but in this case we were all assigned similar tasks so I was quite sure it would fit.

People forcing their way into your problems are very annoying, again I know I do that at times but I've stopped doing that almost entirely and basically try to listen more than I speak.

Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by SolaceQuantum on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @11:51AM (#21259753)
Is it possible your surety was incorrect?

I guess I’m somewhat confused because there was an earlier claim that one had no idea why anyone would be frustrated, but clearly you seem to have a good idea of why someone would seemingly refuse help.

Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by agumonkey on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @12:26PM (#21260275)
When I said I was frustrated by people's reaction it wasn't entirely about their reasons but the way they refuse too. It's still an odd sequence to hear someone complain everyday then when you say "hey I have this thing" you get a "nono I dont need that". Still appear absurd.

Again we were all doing the same thing and I just suggested using my shit to go faster. One other idea is that there are a few layers of interactions, people prefer suggestions from those they trust, or those they respect. I didn't have that at the time somehow.

Re:Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorder... by SolaceQuantum on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @01:11PM (#21260928)
"It's still an odd sequence to hear someone complain everyday then when you say "hey I have this thing" you get a "nono I dont need that". Still appear absurd."

I would suspect it's only absurd because of one's personal lack of understanding of the situation. I can only speculate the full situation, but I can imagine a hypothetical situation where a bunch of accountants joke in camraderie about how much their accounting jobs suck, but when someone actually tries to resolve this, the "fixer" is actually trying to fix a non-problem due to lack of social insight and thus the fixer seems absurd.