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Re:China's New Cybersecurity Program: No Place to Hide by flyinglizard on Monday October 14, 2019 @07:59AM (#21247309)
The examples of this model actually working economically are few and far between - and none that I know of in the case of consumer facing companies.
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Re:China's New Cybersecurity Program: No Place to Hide by cycloptic on Monday October 14, 2019 @08:23AM (#21247469)
I'm not sure what you're talking about, what I'm describing is exactly the SaaS model which is already quite popular.
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Re:China's New Cybersecurity Program: No Place to Hide by flyinglizard on Monday October 14, 2019 @08:29AM (#21247510)
Which SaaS company open sourced their core infrastructure to the point you could self host their services?
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Re:China's New Cybersecurity Program: No Place to Hide by cycloptic on Monday October 14, 2019 @08:52AM (#21247674)
The most prominent company doing this model now is Automattic. Most other SaaS companies run tons of open source... EXCEPT for the core product. I would like to stop this trend; self-hosting is not a problem but instead an opportunity to upsell. It's true though that YC founders in general do not seem to believe this and would rather build the same moat that everyone else is building. Even if it creates practical problems when going over to different markets, as seen in the article.
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Re:China's New Cybersecurity Program: No Place to Hide by flyinglizard on Monday October 14, 2019 @09:52AM (#21248242)
To the best of my knowledge, Automattic followed the success of the Wordpress open source project. It's an attempt to monetize an existing open source platform. The same goes for Docker, Elastic and others. The open source platform came first, then came the services.

Broadly speaking, I don't know why software is singled out in its economics. Creating software takes time of people. Time costs money, and much more of that when it comes to highly skilled engineers. The fact software has virtually no replication costs does not change the fact that its engineering is as expensive if not more so than engineering of other goods.

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Re:China's New Cybersecurity Program: No Place to Hide by cycloptic on Monday October 14, 2019 @11:32AM (#21249376)
The open source project coming first and getting popular is the equivalent of finding product-market fit. I'm not singling this out, it's a potential alternate source of credit that can be combined with traditional investments although it doesn't have to be.
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Re:China's New Cybersecurity Program: No Place to Hide by morelisp on Monday October 14, 2019 @01:34PM (#21250711)
It's easy to sell external hosting when the product is a security nightmare, difficult to configure, and extremely resource intensive in its default state.
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Re:China's New Cybersecurity Program: No Place to Hide by cycloptic on Monday October 14, 2019 @05:09PM (#21252921)
That's exactly why I think more companies should be pursuing this strategy.
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Re:China's New Cybersecurity Program: No Place to Hide by yk on Monday October 14, 2019 @09:43AM (#21248138)
Wordpress, Gitlab, MySql is also a company if memory serves, ...
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Re:China's New Cybersecurity Program: No Place to Hide by ThrowawayR2 on Monday October 14, 2019 @01:09PM (#21250427)
> "Wordpress, Gitlab, MySql is also a company if memory serves, ..."

GitLab is open core, not open source: "We ship GitLab CE which is open source and GitLab EE that is closed source." from https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2016/07/20/gitlab-is-open-core...

(As an unrelated aside, given the number of people on HN that mistakenly think GitLab is open source, I'd say that "open core" as a marketing tactic has a real chance of becoming widespread in the future.)

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