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Re:Spain jails Catalan separatist leaders, protesters take t... by squeezingswirls on Monday October 14, 2019 @07:40AM (#21247194)
12 accused:

* 4 are sentenced for sedition and embezzlement

* 5 for sedition

* 3 for disobedience

Their actions have been judged under the laws of a democratic state but of course Secessionist propaganda calls it 'Fascism'.

Re:Spain jails Catalan separatist leaders, protesters take t... by FDSGSG on Monday October 14, 2019 @08:56AM (#21247722)
>course Secessionist propaganda calls it 'Fascism'.

Sounds like they are correct. It's absolutely shocking to see an European country jailing people for the "crime" of sedition.

Misuse of funds by itself would be much harder to argue against.

Re:Spain jails Catalan separatist leaders, protesters take t... by harperlee on Monday October 14, 2019 @08:43AM (#21247603)
0 people for “trying to vote”

0 people for “their ideas”

0 people for “peaceful demonstration”

Etc. Please read everything about this issue with a grain of salt in both sides, it is heavily politicized to the point of reality being sidetracked. Even the prime minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, showed today grave misinformation on the ruling through a tweet.

Re:Spain jails Catalan separatist leaders, protesters take t... by FDSGSG on Monday October 14, 2019 @09:01AM (#21247767)
So what do you think "sedition" means?
Re:Spain jails Catalan separatist leaders, protesters take t... by harperlee on Monday October 14, 2019 @09:13AM (#21247851)
Public uprising against established order. Which is a) something any legal system prosecutes, and b) something these people did. There is also in Spain a aggravating case for doing this from a public role, which seems reasonable and also applies to some of these individuals.
Re:Spain jails Catalan separatist leaders, protesters take t... by FDSGSG on Monday October 14, 2019 @09:24AM (#21247939)
Ok, but that's not generally what sedition means
Re:Spain jails Catalan separatist leaders, protesters take t... by harperlee on Monday October 14, 2019 @09:36AM (#21248049)
Irrespective of the undertones that you read in the word, that is what they are being judged for. It has a precise technical meaning in the law. And I’d like to know if there is any country whatsoever in which public uprising against the state from a government official, using public funds, and in the manner carried out by them in this case, is not prosecuted.
Re:Spain jails Catalan separatist leaders, protesters take t... by andratwiro on Monday October 14, 2019 @01:44PM (#21250829)
You have to take into account that this is not a military uprising of a few people, its a pacific protest from politicians who represent almost half of the Catalan votes.

There are plenty of examples where people have been pardoned in Spain for more ethically questionable reasons [1]. This, in contrast, is a clear case where it should be resolved politically, not through the legal system.

[1] https://civio.es/el-indultometro/2013/05/06/saenz/

Re:Spain jails Catalan separatist leaders, protesters take t... by harperlee on Monday October 14, 2019 @02:44PM (#21251409)
The political pardon must come after the judicial trial, and comes from different, independent, branches of government.
Re:Spain jails Catalan separatist leaders, protesters take t... by dwild on Tuesday October 15, 2019 @10:12AM (#21258526)
> Their actions have been judged under the laws of a democratic state but of course Secessionist propaganda calls it 'Fascism'.

Under a state they voted against is a pretty important point.

Under a state they weren't even allowed to vote against.

Under a state they were actively trying to separate from.