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Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by zamadatix on Sunday October 13, 2019 @05:32PM (#21243207)
Is there really a way to do DRM that doesn't involve proprietary pieces somewhere along the way?

I think the modern browser is technologically superior to what and how Flash did things (with the exception of native sockets, which is probably for the better). It's really everyone using Adobe's content creation tools (which were well integrated/designed) that made things so low friction.

It took a long time for the browser technologies to catch up but I wonder if in the end it integrates as one system better than bolting on an open flash spec would have been.

Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by MayeulC on Sunday October 13, 2019 @05:45PM (#21243322)
Do you think we really need DRM, though? I've been using the web without it for a while, and I just boycott sites or services that require it.

More to the point, I think that the current DRM scheme is inherently and completely broken. I could use it and let websites pretend it's useful, but it's not worth the increased quantity of proprietary code to me.

Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by zamadatix on Sunday October 13, 2019 @05:54PM (#21243383)
I don't like DRM myself but there are a very large number of users that like to use services which wouldn't stream content otherwise. Just like any protection mechanism it doesn't have to be perfectly impossible to break to provide value to someone.

The nice thing about the way EME was implemented is if you aren't one of those users you can simply disable Widevine or (if you prefer to not even have proprietary code on your computer) use a build that doesn't include it.

Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by WatchDog on Sunday October 13, 2019 @06:42PM (#21243723)
Is there actually any widevine distributed content that isn't available otherwise at the same or better quality?
Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by zamadatix on Sunday October 13, 2019 @07:14PM (#21243919)
I doubt there is. Just like any protection mechanism it doesn't have to be impossible to sidestep to provide value to someone.
Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by amiga-workbench on Sunday October 13, 2019 @06:05PM (#21243467)
It doesn't even help, the Pirate bay is filled with Netflix rips despite the DRM.
Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by quadrangle on Sunday October 13, 2019 @07:02PM (#21243853)
DRM does exactly what it was meant to do: remove rights from the folks who play by the rules.

The public premise that DRM is about stopping "piracy" was always a lie. Obviously, it can't do that. In fact, DRM encourages piracy by reducing the value of non-pirated versions of things.

DRM exists to control and manipulate regular, honest customers, such as making them watch ads or to pay over and over for different copies of the same thing even when they actually have the legal right to make copies for their own use.

Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by sp332 on Sunday October 13, 2019 @07:58PM (#21244181)
Yes, because enough content hosts absolutely refuse to make their content available without DRM, and enough users are willing to switch browsers to one that will show that content, that even Mozilla finally gave in after years of fighting against it. In the end they were afraid that they'd lose enough users that they wouldn't be able to continue the project any more. https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/reconciling-mozillas-missi...
Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by grawprog on Sunday October 13, 2019 @05:45PM (#21243315)
>It's really everyone using Adobe's content creation tools (which were well integrated/designed) that made things so low friction.

I really feel like flash's heyday was before adobe bought it up. Most of the best flash sites, newgrounds and stuff were more active and had tons of content while Macromedia still owned flash.

Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by AndriyKunitsyn on Monday October 14, 2019 @03:03AM (#21245829)
>I think the modern browser is technologically superior to what and how Flash did things

Depends on what you mean by superior. There are still things Flash could do and modern “open web” can’t, determining keyboard state (caps lock state and current input language) is one example.