Re:The polynomial algorithm for 3-SAT problem (or P=NP)
by RiderOfGiraffes on Thursday January 20, 2011 @04:44AM
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My sense is that there are hard 3-coloring problems in graphs that don't look "random". Certainly the ones I generate have a small number of vertices with very high degree, and the others are more reasonable. This is why I say that there are potentially things happening with different random models. But you are certainly right on all counts.
However, where you say this:
.... it's been given "physicist proofs". There's enough
evidence that it's unreasonable to not consider it true.
There had been a lot of evidence around for quite some time that primality was harder than P (assuming P!=NP), and yet it turns out to be in P, even without PvsNP being settled. I'm suspicious. I still believe that hard instances can be found, and that "most" of them will look as you describe, random-ish with the right parameters, but I'm wary about claiming that most things that look like that will, in turn, be "hard."But I suspect we're in agreement, possibly "violent agreement."
ADDED In EDIT: Forgot to say, thanks for the reference.
Re:The polynomial algorithm for 3-SAT problem (or P=NP)
by wnoise on Thursday January 20, 2011 @06:23AM
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Yes, we are in violent agreement then.
Easy to generate random hard instances does not at all mean that highly structured "non-random" instances can't be hard. The "phase transition" only means that the fraction that are hard at a given non-critical ratio decreases with n, but there very well could be a large absolute number, that increases with n. The space of problems of size n grows exponentially, after all.
Random without qualification is used to mean "uniformly". For this specific case (3-SAT), there are only four reasonable readings: both (variables within a clause), and (clauses within the set of all possible clauses) can be chosen with or without replacement. Neither makes a difference in the large n limit.
http://books.google.com/books?id=zyktZTqZSzMC&lpg=PA414&...
is from a reasonable book.
It's true that this phenomenon hasn't been completely rigorously proven, but it's been given "physicist proofs". There's enough evidence that it's unreasonable to not consider it true.