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Re:Apple is not your friend by myrandomcomment on Thursday October 10, 2019 @04:45AM (#21212266)
Apple makes money on their HW and their media sales and application sales. You have to spend the money by choice for Apple to make money. What does most of the world pay Google for? At Google you are the product. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand. The same goes for FB.
Re:Apple is not your friend by megous on Thursday October 10, 2019 @04:57AM (#21212332)
Just because you pay for something doesn't make the incentives to screw you over to get even more money go away.

Does it? Various user-blaming shenanigans, when Apple messes up their HW design can serve as an example. "You're holding it wrong", "You're putting the phone in your pocket", "You're using keyboard wrong in a real world with dust and stuff", etc.

Re:Apple is not your friend by paulcarroty on Thursday October 10, 2019 @05:40AM (#21212554)
> At Google you are the product.

Nothing prevent Microsoft to sells Windows Home/Pro as beta version of Enterprise and gets money & free QA.

If you pays money nothing guarantee your personal data will be used too.

Re:Apple is not your friend by BigJ1211 on Thursday October 10, 2019 @06:01AM (#21212663)
That is mostly true, people are generally concerned with the way Windows 10 handles disabling telemetry and other privacy concerns such as automatically reinstalling or reenabling 'features' after updates. In addition you get the bonus of having ads in your start menu by default, a mess of features/software you can't remove and opting out of everything is quite the process.

You can of course sniff your network traffic to see what does get collected, and that way you at least know what they collected and you can imagine how it can be used and abused.

Re:Apple is not your friend by mda on Thursday October 10, 2019 @05:36AM (#21212526)
I don't see a big difference, I would trust my data with the competent one. Especially when I look at Apple / China situation. It just shows what their actual focus is.
Re:Apple is not your friend by BigJ1211 on Thursday October 10, 2019 @06:03AM (#21212676)
This is the case with all these corporations, making money is their primary concern. In addition their options are 'comply to our laws if you want to sell your products here' or 'no selling on this market'. Not justifying their actions, this just isn't a uniquely Apple thing.
Re:Apple is not your friend by CraneWorm on Thursday October 10, 2019 @04:57AM (#21212336)
> Apple makes money on their HW and their media sales and application sales.

I don't see why they can't make some extra by making you the product as well.

Also, people who are into Apple are known to be willing to pay for stuff. A very lucrative group for everyone.

Re:Apple is not your friend by sjwright on Thursday October 10, 2019 @05:10AM (#21212401)
Please, be serious for a moment. It would have to be an amount of money to be worth the risk and therefore show up in quarterlies. Also there would have to be a buyer. And there would have to be a bunch of companies Apple shopped their data to. And thousands of employees and ex-employees. You really think Apple could keep a thousand ex-employees quiet? Think about it for a moment—if they were doing it, its leaking would be a certainty.

And if it leaked, Apple would be in very deep doo-doo with easily the largest class action the company has ever been hit with. It would be an unacceptable risk to even contemplate such a stupid idea. All for what, a few extra pennies?

Re:Apple is not your friend by panpanna on Thursday October 10, 2019 @07:46AM (#21213318)
HP is making money on HW. They are also making money from your data.

Adobe is making money from selling software. They also make money from their telemetry system.

etc...