The hatred for plugins is ridiculous in general. One of the best things about software is that it can be made freely extensible, and browsers are no exception.

> However if we're talking "childish", then the "Plugins! I thought the point of HTML5 was to avoid plugins" argument wins by a mile.

Which doesn't challenge anything I said. In fact, you can remove plugins from you browser, including Flash, right now.

Sorry, I was agreeing with you about Flash and then going off on a tangent without making it clear I was meaning a different "plugin" argument. I was referring to coverage such as:

So Much For Standards, Google Says WebM Plugins Coming Soon For Safari And IE9

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/14/webm-plugins/

After reading this: http://antimatter15.com/wp/2011/01/the-ambiguity-of-open-and... It sounds like the plugins with be in the OS and not the browser. So it will be like downloading a codec for your Mac or PC not like installing Flash on in your browser.

The big distinction here is that it will be native to the browser because IE and safari use whatever codecs are in the OS instead of providing their own.

Now that makes sense. I was reading it completely differently. Which is also why I probably couldn't find anything wrong with what you were saying.

Sorry for the confusion.

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