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Re:Personal information and ads on Twitter by laughinghan on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @09:10PM (#21199016)
But you can also gain back a phone number, by bringing your new phone to the phone company's physical location and presenting ID. That's not really an option with TOTP tokens.

I mostly agree with the other points (although I don't think I'm the only one with Wi-Fi calling and SMS, even abroad).

Re:Personal information and ads on Twitter by majewsky on Wednesday October 09, 2019 @04:58AM (#21201345)
> But you can also gain back a phone number

...at which point the attacker has already taken over all your important online accounts and changed them to a different phone number.

Re:Personal information and ads on Twitter by laughinghan on Wednesday October 09, 2019 @01:50PM (#21205814)
Not without your password. The comment I was replying to specifically referred to the phone number as a 2nd factor. This excludes services like Twitter where a phone number can be the sole factor used to reset your password (which is awful security, obviously).

Also, you're specifically talking about SIM-jacking. The vast majority of people have upgraded phones, or broken or lost and then replaced a phone, far more times than they have been SIM-jacked. What do they do about their TOTP tokens in those scenarios?

Re:Personal information and ads on Twitter by ubercow13 on Wednesday October 09, 2019 @07:28AM (#21202102)
That depends on the way the phone company operates surely? You can’t do it if you are abroad, or if it’s a prepay SIM and the phone company doesn’t know your identity. Some telcos will give your number to somebody else if you don’t connect with the network for too long.
Re:Personal information and ads on Twitter by laughinghan on Wednesday October 09, 2019 @02:01PM (#21205977)
Sure, you're totally right that in some cases, physically losing a phone also means loss of that phone number. But in 100% of cases, physically losing a phone means loss of those TOTP tokens.

For the vast majority of people, that's a dealbreaker, in spite of SMS being deeply flawed, as the comment you originally replied to said.