Re:'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology
by dekhn on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:07AM
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Don't large numbers of professional chinese who work on the internet use VPNs to get around the firewall?
My insight into this comes mainly from professional Chinese scientists who were previously trained in the US but returned to China because there were better scientific opportunities. Many of them have told me (in person, while visitng the US) that they have to use VPNs to get their work done, and as long as they are relatively cautious, circumspect, and don't repeat what they see to others, they are tolerated.
Re:'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology
by LinuxBender on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:46AM
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Some Chinese companies are allowed to bypass the great firewall, but only if they demonstrate that they comply with the governments monitoring and filtering requirements themselves. I know of a couple companies that are in this category. They don't need VPN's. They have circuits to all continents, but they are also just as vigilant as their government. They are also required to provide all encryption keys. I am not naming names.
Re:'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology
by dTal on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:40AM
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>some educated Chinese citizens are resisting at great personal cost now, knowing that many share their sentiments
It seems we agree.
>assuming that most people will find a way to look beyond the propaganda seems overly optimistic to me.
Most people? Yes, that would be overly optimistic. But enough people to render "overwhelming support" inaccurate? Not overly optimistic at all.
Yes? Would you want to try circumventing the great firewall without getting caught?
I fear the Chinese are mostly supportive. Most Germans also supported Hitler before things went awry, and his election results were superb even before massive manipulation began.
There was still a substantial minority that didn't support him and resisted at great personal cost, much like some educated Chinese citizens are resisting at great personal cost now, knowing that many share their sentiments, but assuming that most people will find a way to look beyond the propaganda seems overly optimistic to me.