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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by BurnGpuBurn on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @03:03AM (#21189521)
And if you've just paid your yearly prescription last week, you aren't even getting what you paid for:

> You’ve charged me, when will I get my refund?

>We are unable to issue refunds. Executive order 13884, orders the cessation of all activity with the entities including no sales, service, support, refunds, credits, etc.

So no refunds either. Renting stuff in the cloud is just waiting to be screwed if the country you're in is on the hit list of the US government. And that's not a short list either, btw.

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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by radeklew on Wednesday October 09, 2019 @02:59AM (#21200761)
The website changed:

>If you purchased directly from Adobe, we will refund you by the end of the month for any paid, but unused services. We are working with our partners on the same.

I wonder what caused this. Did something important change, or did Adobe just overreact at first?

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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by alexvoda on Friday October 11, 2019 @12:45PM (#21226048)
Even that doesn't fix it. Sure they got their money back. But they aren't allowed to subscribe again so all of the files are locked away in proprietary formats.
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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by tornato7 on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @03:43AM (#21189753)
That's something credit card chargebacks can be used for, at least in the US.
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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by diffeomorphism on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @05:09AM (#21190199)
Aren't both Visa and Mastercard US-based and thus subject to the same executive order? So chargebacks are probably also at the whim of the US.
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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by GlitchMr on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @09:44AM (#21192189)
Credit and debit cards are specifically exempt from sanctions. That said, the card organizations may use sanctions as an excuse to not go forward with the chargeback process (as in, we will gladly take your money, but refund none of it because sanctions).
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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by jeremyjh on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @06:04AM (#21190484)
Chargebacks are initiated with the issuer's bank, which presumably would be in Venezuela.
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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by AnnoyingSwede on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @05:33AM (#21190310)
That's kind of a two-way wammy.. If anyone owned money to VISA or Mastercard in Venezuela, the creditcard companies would not be able to collect those debts either?
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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by chii on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @05:42AM (#21190355)
I bet your bottom dollar they will be allowed to collect.
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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by beojan on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @05:52AM (#21190411)
VISA and Mastercard don't (AFAIK) lend money themselves, unlike Amex for instance.
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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by crb002 on Wednesday October 09, 2019 @09:59PM (#21210172)
Consumer fraud lawsuits, and they don't want Venezuelan cash on their balance sheets.
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