Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts
by dvfjsdhgfv on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:25PM
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It also shows that Stallman was right from the beginning, it's just most people didn't believe such things could happen. The very basic right, the right to run the software, can be limited in an arbitrary way.
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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts
by nixpulvis on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:34PM
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Honestly, it's not enough to just be able to run it. You need to be able to see it's source, and make modifications to it.
Not all software developers can handle all use cases that will be needed, and it's unrealistic to say, "if the use case is needed enough there would be market forces to implement it".
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts
by noobermin on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:41PM
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This comment says "Stallman was right" regarding the cloud. Not "Stallman was right about Marvin Minsky."
This is an argument people can't distinguish the man from the idea, or his software, or his organization, etc.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts
by droithomme on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @09:30AM
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Well let's talk Minsky since you wanted to bring it up. Minsky and Stallman were long term friends. Minsky is dead and can't defend himself. Stallman, when directly asked about Minsky, said he didn't believe Minsky knew the girl was a sex slave, and Minsky believed the sex was consensual. It's a fair comment by Stallman. Legally it's also irrelevant since believing sex is consensual when it's not doesn't matter. Also there's the issue of it being statutory rape as well, age of consent in Virgin Islands is 18. But Minsky's dead so he can't be prosecuted for either charge anyway. Did Minsky know he was a rapist? Maybe not, Stallman points out. Fair enough. Was Minsky legally a rapist? Almost certainly so. Would have been a good follow up question to Stallman so he could clarify his thoughts. Are Stallman's opinions here objectionable? I don't find them so. Worth annihilating the reputation and life of someone who is possibly the most productive software developer in history? I think not.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts
by etiam on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @02:36PM
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I don't particularly want to engage further with what I consider a pure smear campaign, but it seems fair to at least take the time to share the information with you that the woman's deposition mentions she was 'directed to' have sex with Marvin Minsky, but not that she actually did, and there is an eyewitness testifying that Minsky turned her down.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20909030
I don't find anything objectionable about Stallman's opinions here either. Quite the contrary in fact.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts
by dvfjsdhgfv on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @03:09PM
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So all this sad show is based on false reporting about something that Stallman didn't say about something that Minsky didn't even do.
I don't know how the people who caused this can look at their reflection in the mirror with a straight face.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts
by SkyBelow on Monday October 07, 2019 @05:08PM
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I wonder how many people even know what Stallman said about Minsky. Most of the media I read reported incorrect summaries that leave out critical details.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts
by SmellyGeekBoy on Wednesday October 09, 2019 @10:22AM
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Unless I'm missing something your comment (and the replies to it) are the only mentions of Minsky in this entire thread?