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Re:For the first time on record, the 400 wealthiest American... by dragonwriter on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:54PM (#21183069)
> Capital gains are not inflation-indexed, which is one reason to have a lower rate.

No, it's a good reason to inflation adjust them; not inflation adjusting them and charging a lower rate means that people who can regularly turn over capital so that there is often very little inflation effect (more common with the really rich) pay low real taxes on income, while people who have a few capital assets that are held a long time for use value and then sell them with little real (but much inflationary) appreciation pay taxes at low rate on the nominal income, but often at a high rate on any real income (or, worse, pay positive taxes with no or negative real income). The two features compound the pro-wealth bias in capital gains policy rather than offsetting to approximate fairness with taxation of other income.

Taxes on income should be blind as to whether it is labor or capital income (including those characterized as “payroll” rather than “income” taxes), and, to smooth irregular income streams (which otherwise have undesirable consequences in a progressive tax system) generous allowances for deferment or unusually high income and advance recognition of income should be made, and basis values, and deferred and advance-recognized income amounts all should be inflation adjusted.

Re:For the first time on record, the 400 wealthiest American... by gnicholas on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:58PM (#21183133)
I completely agree that we should inflation-index assets for which electronic purchase/sale records readily available (stock purchased through brokerages). For other types of assets, the inflation rationale is still a decent reason to have a lower LTCG rate (think antiques, paintings, etc.).
Re:For the first time on record, the 400 wealthiest American... by dragonwriter on Monday October 07, 2019 @01:05PM (#21183220)
> I completely agree that we should inflation-index assets for which electronic purchase/sale records readily available (stock purchased through brokerages).

How are electronic records relevant? The information needed is expected, whether records or electronic or not, when doing capital gains now, so there's non rational need for electronic records.

> For other types of assets, the inflation rationale is still a decent reason to have a lower LTCG rate

No, it's not. For the reasons already explained.

Re:For the first time on record, the 400 wealthiest American... by gnicholas on Monday October 07, 2019 @01:24PM (#21183480)
How do you prove how long you've held an asset, so the appropriate inflation adjustment can be done?
Re:For the first time on record, the 400 wealthiest American... by dragonwriter on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:20PM (#21184221)
> How do you prove how long you've held an asset, so the appropriate inflation adjustment can be done?

The same way you prove cost basis; if you have adequate records of one, you’ll pretty invariably have both.

Re:For the first time on record, the 400 wealthiest American... by gnicholas on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:38PM (#21184411)
Perhaps in the modern era, but less so in the past. The IRS also has a workaround if you can't prove your tax basis, which is to consider it all gains. That's a reasonable fallback for calculating gains, because if you don't have proof of basis, it's likely to be an older acquisition (and one which is more highly appreciated.) But the opposite is true for inflation adjusting, which would leave people with no records to be considered to have zero tax basis (all gains) and no inflation adjustment.
Re:For the first time on record, the 400 wealthiest American... by dragonwriter on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:50PM (#21184544)
> Perhaps in the modern era, but less so in the past. The IRS also has a workaround if you can't prove your tax basis, which is to consider it all gains. That's a reasonable fallback for calculating gains, because if you don't have proof of basis, it's likely to be an older acquisition (and one which is more highly appreciated.) But the opposite is true for inflation adjusting, which would leave people with no records to be considered to have zero tax basis (all gains) and no inflation adjustment.

If lacking transfer documents makes the sale value “all gains”, then the inflation adjustment is irrelevant, since you are adjusting a zero basis value, which is still going to be zero if you do or don't adjust it for inflation, no matter what a amount of inflation has occurred.

The only place where there is even a theoretical problem is where there is proof of basis value but not basis date; this seems extremely improbable to occur in practice.

Re:For the first time on record, the 400 wealthiest American... by javagram on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:06PM (#21184061)
Don’t you already have to have a record of the cost basis of the asset to calculate capital gains?

So you already need a receipt or some record with the original purchase price, which probably has a time stamp on it.

Re:For the first time on record, the 400 wealthiest American... by gok on Monday October 07, 2019 @01:31PM (#21183574)
Well you also need some paperwork to prove your cost basis, and most of that paperwork is dated.

But yeah this is one reason why collectibles have a special, higher LTCG rate than securities.