Python brought me back from a bored and frustrated programmer using Java to a hacker. I have programmed in Java since then and have been much better as a result of my work with Python.

PHP in my opinion is a very weak option today, and I think you would be crazy choosing it in 2008. I worked extensively in it about 8 years ago, but it's time has passed.

Like you mentioned, consider using MVC with Python. The separation between business logic and display code is priceless, and I guarantee if you do not clearly break apart these two you will run into huge problems.

I get your point; without any other knowledge, you'd be better off selecting from a pool of Python developers than PHP developers when looking for good hackers. Correct?

Although I would be able to somehow separate the good hackers from bad by initially chosing Python, would you say that good hackers would also stay clear of opportunities where PHP is involved? What would facebook think about that? ;)

Just want to know your thoughts. Thanks.

I'm a hacker. I use PHP. I use Python. I use C++. I use Java. I use JavaScript. I use Prolog. I use C#. I use whatever language or tool is best for the job and I innovate with them however I can. I love getting my hands on new SDKs for every language and framework, learning their quirks and implementing fun things with them.

There is skill in any language you choose to use. That's up to you, not the language. In fact, a "bad" language require significantly more skill to use successfully and securely.

Now, I'm not going to disagree with someone if they provide cons/pros for different languages, PHP has its faults, maybe even more than other languages. But it strikes me odd that you'd be upvoted so much for saying that no hackers use PHP.

The presence of "novices" aren't going to scare away someone who likes to code and get the job done in clever ways. I'll also note, as someone who runs a game scripting community around Python, that novices produce some of the cleverest little tricks and really shouldn't be shunned anyway. We were all novices once.

You seem to be passing this off as an advantage, but that doesn't make sense. Let's say you make furniture for a living, and one day you intentionally slice your arm off. Now you brag that having one arm is better than having two, since you now "require significantly more skill" to do the same work you could do before.

That doesn't make you a better furniture maker. It makes you a cripple.

Using PHP is the programming equivalent of cutting off your arm. It makes work more difficult, more painful, and slower.

But to each his own.

Best of luck to you.

The possibility exists that you just don't know enough about programming to make an informed decision.