Re:I hate living in my tiny house
by DoreenMichele on Monday October 07, 2019 @01:12AM
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I've enjoyed engaging you. But I don't agree with you.
My first room was the smallest room in the building with just a sink and fridge. I didn't feel I could make a hotplate or similar work in that space.
About two months ago, I moved to a larger room within the same building. I have a private bath and a George Foreman grill now. The fridge died like two days after we moved or something and I don't have the money to replace it.
But the thing is that I and my oldest son both have a serious genetic disorder. Since moving to a unit with a private bath, he has thrown up every single time he has cleaned the toilet.
We didn't want a toilet of our own at first. We didn't want to clean it. Management is responsible for cleaning the shared bathrooms in the building. But I am responsible for cleaning my private bath.
Toilets are not something that see so much use that every single individual needs their own personal toilet.
A large part of the increase in housing costs since the 1950s is due to rising standards and expectations.
In the 1950s, that 1200 sqft new house probably had a heater, but no air conditioning. It probably had a washing machine, but no dryer. Instead, there was a clothesline out back in the yard.
It probably was poorly insulated and had inferior electrical service compared to what we expect today. You didn't need a high electrical capacity and outlets everywhere. You had a radio and maybe a TV.
Home computers didn't exist. Microwaves didn't exist.
Etc etc etc.
A lot that we consider standard and the minimum today was not either at that time. And there are developed countries which generally treat their citizens better than we do here in the US that have smaller homes, smaller refrigerators, etc.
Europe has a lot of household stuff that exists precisely because they expect a high quality of life in spaces that are typically smaller than standard US homes.
I'm not sure why you are so adamant that SROs are wholly unacceptable. I've studied the history of US housing and I have some knowledge of how things get handled in other developed countries. I've also lived this problem space and I'm currently in an SRO.
So you aren't going to convince me that it's inherently evil to have dorm style rooms.
I don't really believe housing is a "right." I believe we need to do what works in practical terms and I don't think that framing is productive.
And lowering our crazy high standards that boil down to "We only build mansions in America" is something that must happen if we are to solve this.
I continue to research how to do that in a way that lowers the right standards because I'm absolutely not interested in creating slum conditions.
Anyway, thank you for speaking with me. But I'm not sure there's any real point in taking this discussion further.
My first room was the smallest room in the building with just a sink and fridge. I didn't feel I could make a hotplate or similar work in that space.
About two months ago, I moved to a larger room within the same building. I have a private bath and a George Foreman grill now. The fridge died like two days after we moved or something and I don't have the money to replace it.
But the thing is that I and my oldest son both have a serious genetic disorder. Since moving to a unit with a private bath, he has thrown up every single time he has cleaned the toilet.
We didn't want a toilet of our own at first. We didn't want to clean it. Management is responsible for cleaning the shared bathrooms in the building. But I am responsible for cleaning my private bath.
Toilets are not something that see so much use that every single individual needs their own personal toilet.
A large part of the increase in housing costs since the 1950s is due to rising standards and expectations.
In the 1950s, that 1200 sqft new house probably had a heater, but no air conditioning. It probably had a washing machine, but no dryer. Instead, there was a clothesline out back in the yard.
It probably was poorly insulated and had inferior electrical service compared to what we expect today. You didn't need a high electrical capacity and outlets everywhere. You had a radio and maybe a TV.
Home computers didn't exist. Microwaves didn't exist.
Etc etc etc.
A lot that we consider standard and the minimum today was not either at that time. And there are developed countries which generally treat their citizens better than we do here in the US that have smaller homes, smaller refrigerators, etc.
Europe has a lot of household stuff that exists precisely because they expect a high quality of life in spaces that are typically smaller than standard US homes.
I'm not sure why you are so adamant that SROs are wholly unacceptable. I've studied the history of US housing and I have some knowledge of how things get handled in other developed countries. I've also lived this problem space and I'm currently in an SRO.
So you aren't going to convince me that it's inherently evil to have dorm style rooms.
I don't really believe housing is a "right." I believe we need to do what works in practical terms and I don't think that framing is productive.
And lowering our crazy high standards that boil down to "We only build mansions in America" is something that must happen if we are to solve this.
I continue to research how to do that in a way that lowers the right standards because I'm absolutely not interested in creating slum conditions.
Anyway, thank you for speaking with me. But I'm not sure there's any real point in taking this discussion further.