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Re:Project MKUltra by dijit on Saturday October 05, 2019 @09:52AM (#21165478)
But let’s take the original premise: the US government wanted a means of controlling how people thought.

Do you believe they abandoned that pursuit after a failed experiment 50 years ago? Do you believe they abandoned it forever?

Re:Project MKUltra by PavlovsCat on Saturday October 05, 2019 @11:41AM (#21166142)
Whenever I see stuff like

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21164686

I think of

> If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable – what then?

-- George Orwell

Similar for "brain/machine interface to help paralyzed people", to be perfectly blunt. I don't mean it's all just a cute narrative to get the tech going, but the thought that the same centers of power and wealth, that have no problem bombing people so they're dead or paralyzed or whatever_we_dont_actually_care_besides_PR_fallout, might truly care about helping the paralyzed... I can't buy that, or anything like it.

Most individual researchers, all but very few, have benign intentions and awesome aspirations, I'm sure, but overall, reading and writing the mind is just too temping to not override all the nice words and hopes when it gets within reach and push comes to shove.

I'd say it's a very old desire, which simply hasn't let up. It's not restricted to the US governments or governments in general either, any small cult does it, every abuser in a relationship does, in a low-tech way.

Re:Project MKUltra by krapp on Saturday October 05, 2019 @10:21AM (#21165647)
>Do you believe they abandoned that pursuit after a failed experiment 50 years ago?

I believe direct mind control of that sort is infeasible, certainly likely impossible at the scale of entire populations, so I do believe they abandoned that specific pursuit after discovering that the human brain and LSD didn't work the way they hoped. The government also looked into remote viewing and psychic assassinations, but I don't believe they just kept on trying that either.

>Do you believe they abandoned it forever?

The goal? Probably not. The means? Probably. I believe it's more effective in modern society to influence people through disinformation campaigns and popular culture, particularly though social media, than attempt to control them like puppets by secretly dosing them with LSD and barbiturates.

Re:Project MKUltra by mistermann on Saturday October 05, 2019 @12:59PM (#21166584)
> I believe it's more effective in modern society to influence people through disinformation campaigns and popular culture, particularly though social media, than attempt to control them like puppets by secretly dosing them with LSD and barbiturates.

I agree. What's interesting about LSD though is that it can provide extremely useful insight into the underlying nature of beliefs, or how an individual came to believe certain things, or why they feel a certain way. Knowing more of these details seems like it would be extremely useful in the development of propaganda campaigns.

Re:Project MKUltra by ncmncm on Saturday October 05, 2019 @03:57PM (#21167573)
Indeed, Guantanamo victims do not report drug use.

But the widespread, in some cases (Ted Koppel, Tom Friedman) rabid support for the Iraq debacle is prima facie evidence for its continued use.

Re:Project MKUltra by leetcrew on Saturday October 05, 2019 @12:10PM (#21166277)
either way, does it change how you live your life? do you monitor the people you know for signs of mind control? do you start an activist movement to stop something you're not sure exists?