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Re:Pricing niche products by thaumasiotes on Friday October 04, 2019 @12:23PM (#21159215)
"More"? I understood CommieBobDole to be saying it was entirely about status signaling:

> the purpose of the hobby has transitioned from primarily "making/using the thing" to "obtaining and displaying ever more extreme versions of the thing to impress other people who know about the thing"

What do you think the difference is between "status signaling" and "impressing other people"?

Re:Pricing niche products by cmroanirgo on Friday October 04, 2019 @12:50PM (#21159494)
Erm. Not having used (nor heard) the term "status signaling" before, I'd suggest that "status signaling" is a status signal that you (and now me) is trying to impress someone. ;-)
Re:Pricing niche products by kragen on Saturday October 05, 2019 @12:34AM (#21163820)
Status signaling is a specific way of impressing other people: it's impressing them with your status, sometimes called more precisely prestige (as opposed to, for example, your money, your strength, your talent, or your character), in a way that's difficult to fake because it's costly. So, for example, Donald Trump bragging on a talk show about sexually assaulting strange women counts as "status signaling", because it cost him some prestige, and if he hadn't had a lot of prestige to begin with, he would have ended up in jail. (Hopefully he will anyway, but so far he's not.)

Buying more extreme custom keyboards, by contrast, demonstrates knowledge and wealth, and it's a difficult-to-fake and costly signal of wealth — though much less so than, say, a Honda Accord or a Learjet. But wealth isn't the same thing as status, and attempting to signal wealth with something that costs US$500 or US$1000 is pretty much going to backfire unless you're in like Nigeria or something. It's like a hacker equivalent of putting spinners and tinted windows on your car — these are not features that distinguish Bugattis and Lamborghinis from quotidian BMWs.

Anyway, so I think that if it's impressing anybody, they're either poor or they're keyboard aficionados who are impressed with the refined taste that demonstrates your profound knowledge, not your elevated social standing or your wealth.

As for the guy who misread "signaling" as "virtue signalling", honey, bless your heart.

Re:Pricing niche products by thaumasiotes on Saturday October 05, 2019 @02:31PM (#21167110)
Every part of that is wrong:

- Status signaling is the only way of impressing other people.

- Signaling is sending any message by any means. Signals that are difficult to fake are more effective than signals that aren't. But easy-to-fake signals are obviously still signals.

- Status is anything that impresses other people. Money, strength, talent, and character are all forms of status that are valued differently by different groups. If you're very strong, then you have high status among groups that respect strength -- as long as they know you're strong. Which is why you have to signal it.

You appear to have confused the concepts of "status signaling" and "conspicuous consumption".

Re:Pricing niche products by kragen on Saturday October 05, 2019 @06:43PM (#21168463)
Bless your heart. To anyone who would like to know more, I recommend reading https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_theory and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_status, and of course the scholarship they link to.
Re:Pricing niche products by thaumasiotes on Sunday October 06, 2019 @01:33AM (#21170016)
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_theory :

> In biology, signals are traits, including structures and behaviours, that have evolved specifically because they change the behaviour of receivers in ways that benefit the signaller.

In other words, they are communication.

> When an alert bird deliberately gives a warning call to a stalking predator and the predator gives up the hunt, the sound is a signal.

Because warning calls are costly and difficult to fake? No, warning calls are faked all the time, to frighten other animals.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_status :

> Social status defines being liked. Some writers have also referred to a socially valued role or category a person occupies as a "status" (e.g., gender, race, having a criminal conviction, etc.). Status is based in beliefs about who members of a society believe holds comparatively more or less social value.

> In a society, the relative honor and prestige accorded to individuals depends on how well an individual is perceived to match a society's goals and ideals (e.g., being pious in a religious society).

> a teacher may have a positive societal image (respect, prestige) which increases their status but may earn little money, which simultaneously decreases their status.

This all amounts to... strong support for exactly what I already said. Did you read these articles before citing them?