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Re:New In Postgres 12: Generated Columns by magicalhippo on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @06:28AM (#21134920)
SQL is a bit verbose at times, but it's not much different from going to other programming languages. In fact I'd say it's easier given that it's so verbose.

I have no idea what all those modifier symbols do in Rust, say, but I find "case when InvoiceNo is null then" or "select Name, list(distinct Title) as Titles from" pretty transparent in comparison.

The biggest mental difference I think is that you're dealing with a different data model. You don't have a bunch of individual entities floating around. You got rows in tables, which you mostly process in bulk. As such it's more like an Excel spreadsheet.

Re:New In Postgres 12: Generated Columns by pizza234 on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @04:53PM (#21140627)
What specifically do you find verbose? The only thing I find redundant (based on the queries I handle) is that theoretically join arguments could be deduced from foreign keys (maybe extending this behavior, having joins automatically deduced).

I also wonder if the perceived verbosity is caused by some programmers cramming logic into the queries, rather than keeping them simple and processing the results in the client language.

Re:New In Postgres 12: Generated Columns by magicalhippo on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @07:41PM (#21141982)
It's verbose compared to a lot of other languages simply by using words rather than symbols or abbreviations for most things. Though I tried to convey that I did not think this was a bad thing.

The only case where things get really verbose for me is when I need to do subqueries for columns. Often I might need to run basically the same subquery but return aggregates over different fields, ie sum of net weight, sum of gross weight, sum of value. For performance reasons I can't write that as a join, at least on our SQL server.

I agree there should be a shortcut syntax for joining using foreign keys ("join X on foreign key"?) though.

Re:New In Postgres 12: Generated Columns by pizza234 on Saturday October 05, 2019 @01:04PM (#21166606)
Agreed, I didn't want to convey that it's not verbose, either :-)