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Re:Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions... by smashthepants on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:39PM (#21131000)
Income inequality is only "unachievable" exactly because of thinking like this. If people were genuinely invested in equality they would be asking "what can i do to get us there faster?" instead of being defeatist and calling it unachievable because you didn't personally create the problem.
Re:Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions... by mikelyons on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:59PM (#21131187)
Income equality is outcome equality, which is unenforceable.
Re:Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions... by maehwasu on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @07:53PM (#21132150)
It’s very enforceable. It’s just that it really, really sucks to live in a society that implements that enforcement.
Re:Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions... by mikelyons on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @08:46PM (#21132444)
I don't believe you, can you give some examples?
Re:Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions... by maehwasu on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @09:19PM (#21132636)
Khmer Rouge killing lots of intellectuals is one classic example, although most socialist revolutions had their own variants.

I suppose you can do a No True Scotsman and say that those weren’t truly enforcing equality of outcome since there were people at the top of that society doing the enforcing, but most would find that argument pretty strained.

Re:Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions... by chii on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @07:56PM (#21132172)
it should be opportunity equality, rather than outcome equality.

Everyone should have the chance at getting educated, but not everyone needs to pass or excel - it is up to the individual to succeed, but it is up to society to provide the opportunity to succeed. That is why schooling (primary, secondary and tertiary) should be free for everyone.

Re:Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions... by BubRoss on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @08:18PM (#21132288)
And why school funding shouldn't be based on the neighborhood it is in.
Re:Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions... by asdf21 on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:57PM (#21131172)
You didn't answer his question, created a strawman, put words in his mouth, implied he doesn't care about equality (isn't treating people equally, regardless of race equality?)... goodness.
Re:Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions... by smashthepants on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:03PM (#21131224)
He explicitly said income equality is unachievable. I didn't put those words in his mouth.

You can't answer the question of "when" if a person has already decided the goal is unachievable. Again, those were his words not mine

The temporary measures will end WHEN people are genuinely interested enough to help regardless of whether they created the problem. That is my answer. You just don't like it. And that's ok....

Re:Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions... by tomschlick on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:08PM (#21131268)
When, in the history of humanity, has income ever been at an acceptable level of equality?

If you/the people who support such a policy can't define an explicit goal then I'd say that's pretty unachievable.

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Re:Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions... by tomschlick on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @08:06PM (#21132225)
There will always be rich, there will always be poor. That's simple economics. There has not been a society in human history that hasn't had those. Pretending that you can magically wish that away is crazy.

Our system is based on equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. If there are issues with the opportunity then we should work to fix those (like is already being done in inner cities cleaning up the drugs/pushing out gangs/preventing fatherless homes/etc). But pretending that you're going to fix those socioeconomic issues by giving preferential treatment to people based on race is just pulling other problems into the mix and is blatantly racist.

Re:Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions... by smashthepants on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @08:19AM (#21135576)
The problems were created by giving preferential treatment based on race, but the solution is to ignore race?

No one is advocating wishing anything away. If you want to focus specifically on equality of opportunity you can't do so without recognizing that race directly affects which opportunities are available to whom. Any solution that ignores that is just more of the same. And doing more of the same only extends the timeline of "when" that the original comment took issue with.