Re:Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong ...
by schuke on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @09:35AM
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I’m from the mainland and totally with HK’s cause. But I do think the violence is at least unnecessary if not detrimental to the movement. If tanks roll in, there’s no point using violence as they’ll be crushed. If they don’t, it seems to me there’s enough space for peaceful protests, which can be even more effectual in many ways. And the people of Hong Kong have shown an incredible amount of creativity in non-violent protests. The kid is so young he shouldn’t be involved in such violence. I hope he will make a full recovery.
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Re:Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong ...
by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @09:39AM
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> the violence is at least unnecessary if not detrimental to the movement
Judgement is complicated by documented evidence of undercover Hong Kong police dressing up as protesters and acting like belligerent idiots [1].
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/world/hong-kong-police-pr...
Re:Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong ...
by koheripbal on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @03:04PM
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Sure, but not in this particular case. The protestor that was shot was caught on the same video chasing down a police officer and beating him before getting shot.
Re:Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong ...
by marvin on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:24PM
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This always happens. It's the most effective way to create the illusion of legitimacy for using violence to kill peaceful protest. The French police have been doing it for ages.
Re:Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong ...
by ummonk on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:32PM
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Yes, but in this case the kid was engaging directly in violence so unless he himself was an agent provocateur, this particular shooting can’t be blamed on undercover cops.
Re:Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong ...
by kaonashi on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @03:29PM
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Not to mention that the protests were initially peaceful, then they were repeatedly attacked by gangs at the behest of the local authorities.
Re:Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong ...
by baylearn on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @09:49AM
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I agree with you. I think the (relatively) success of the movement so far is due to the sheer creative energy of the protester population.
That said I am fine with measured civil disobedience and symbolic destruction of government / quasi-government / tax-payer funded infrastructure when appropriate.
Re:Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong ...
by hanniabu on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @10:53AM
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> If tanks roll in, there’s no point using violence as they’ll be crushed
There are many impromptu homemade devices that can be used to deter tanks
Re:Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong ...
by Illniyar on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @11:45AM
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Against modern tanks, there really aren't. Even military grade explosive mines don't stop a modern tank (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-IED_equipment#Mine_Res...) - not to mention things that go in the frontline in urban areas like armored bulldozers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_bulldozer)
Re:Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong ...
by read_if_gay_ on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @04:53AM
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What about the IEDs used in the middle east? How hard is it to put one of those together?
Re:Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong ...
by jdsully on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @03:28PM
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Tanks are quite vulnerable in urban combat. As the Russians learned at the start of the battle of Grozny: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994–95)