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Re:Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Kno... by glangdale on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:50AM (#21123966)
You're looking for a neutral principle that doesn't exist. Why is the trajectory of society towards "evolving and improving" assumed here? Why is someone's view of what is "just and good" in the future automatically better? What if we wind up in a dystopia and reintroduce slavery? Is that automatically "better" because it's out there in the future?

At this point people usually go looking for a get out of jail free card where they can conjure up a neutral principle and say "no, I meant progress towards good things", which of course "begs the question" in the classic sense.

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Re:Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Kno... by jamesrcole on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @09:36AM (#21125145)
The principle I'm arguing for does not involve any specific view of what "better" is.

A norm of shutting down someone whenever a number of people consider that person's views or actions to be offensive or harmful will stifle change. It will stifle all change and evolution of norms and beliefs. It's an authoritarian impulse that will only ratchet up restrictions on what can be said and done.

If such a norm had been in place in the last few hundred years, it would have severely hampered all the past changes that are now widely agreed to have been good things.

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Re:Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Kno... by glangdale on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @09:53AM (#21125312)
I think you've 100% missed the point here, but it's late, and I can't channel any more of Stanley Fish's "The Trouble with Principle" (very recommended, and readable) at this hour.
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Re:Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Kno... by jamesrcole on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @10:03AM (#21125421)
I'd remind you that this subthread is all under my response to a comment which said "there is a benefit to radical thinking and nonconformity, but "do it without hurting others" is a reasonable line to draw. ... I still believe ... that it's possible to maintain not-normal opinions without causing pain to the people around you.".
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