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Re:EU brings in 'right to repair' rules for appliances by baroffoos on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @03:25AM (#21122821)
In what possible way could using the same fridge for 10 years be worse than buying and dumping a fridge every 3 years?
Re:EU brings in 'right to repair' rules for appliances by mytailorisrich on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @03:27AM (#21122835)
Fridges don't break down after 3 years. Please let's have a serious discussion.
Re:EU brings in 'right to repair' rules for appliances by martin_a on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @03:58AM (#21123048)
In what possible way could using the same washing machine for 25 years be worse than buying and dumping a washing machine every 8-10 years?
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Re:EU brings in 'right to repair' rules for appliances by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @04:45AM (#21123311)
> Greta Thunberg is not always there to tell you what to think...

Oh, you aren't actually interested in arguments? Why didn't you tell us earlier!

Re:EU brings in 'right to repair' rules for appliances by baroffoos on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @07:07PM (#21131850)
Mine did. One of the PCBs was designed in a way that when the fridge light breaks it causes the whole pcb to fry and the fridge stops functioning. Thankfully we were able to get a replacement pcb because the manufacturer still supplied it.
Re:EU brings in 'right to repair' rules for appliances by hdfbdtbcdg on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @04:03AM (#21123080)
Mine did.
Re:EU brings in 'right to repair' rules for appliances by benj111 on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @04:28AM (#21123221)
Bad example, it is actually better to replace older fridges (older than 10 years though) with modern low energy designs, obviously with the expectation that they'd last longer than 3 years.

Fridges and Freezers are the only appliances I'm aware of where it works out like that though.

Edit: Here's a case study for those that don't believe me.

http://www.t2c.org.uk/chilling/new-case-study-of-20-yr-old-f...

Re:EU brings in 'right to repair' rules for appliances by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:04AM (#21123740)
That's just savings in end-user monetary expenses, which is a proxy for energy use, but not necessarily a good one.

I wonder whether this calculation holds once you account for the energy used to develop, construct, market and transport the new fridges that replace the older-but-working fridges. It's a genuine question - I haven't seen such calculation done. My current intuition is that the extra marginal energy used in manufacturing a new fridge dwarfs the energy savings of replacing the old one before it dies.

Re:EU brings in 'right to repair' rules for appliances by benj111 on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:38AM (#21123901)
The link gives a figure of 700kwh saving a year.

This [1] gives the embodied energy for a fridge as 5900 Mj which equals 1600 kwh.

So broadly speaking you new fridge 'pays' for itself in 2 years. I suspect its worse that, but even if its 5 years, my point still stands.

[1] https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Appliance