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Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by tlarkworthy on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:24PM (#21119795)
I expect sugar will turn out to be good for your brain (in moderation) and increase your IQ.
Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by Merrill on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:47PM (#21119997)
Glucose is the main source of energy for the brain. So corn syrup, the Karo kind, being pure glucose produced by depolymerizing corn starch, is fine for the brain.

High fructose corn syrup, made by enzymatic conversion of about half the glucose to fructose, or cane sugar, which is a disaccharide consisting of paired molecules of glucose and fuctose, are not so fine. The fructose has to be processed by the liver before it can be used.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by munk-a on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:30PM (#21119838)
Nah, sadly... sugar is crap all the way down - but it tastes delicious.

I just wish we could get some regulations banning it and salt as a flavour enhancer in partially prepared food products like frozen stuff and the pre-made components.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by rkop on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @05:35AM (#21134699)
Sugar? Maybe. Salt? Why?
Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by differentView on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:32PM (#21119858)
Can you provide link to any such research? Even ones funded by the sugar industry?
Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by pazimzadeh on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:39PM (#21119917)
Not quite the same thing, but glucose is the main source of energy for the brain. It's just that refined sugar is usually not how you get your glucose. But sure, eating sugar might give you a temporary boost in IQ - before the crash.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22436/

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by whenchamenia on Monday September 30, 2019 @09:37PM (#21121219)
Its only the main source when available. Ketones work fine in its absence, and glucose is not required.
Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by machinelearning on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:33PM (#21119863)
Yea it is quite interesting how the 'invisible hand' seems to have branded sugar as a 'drug, akin to cocaine' since it signals dopamine in the brain. Refined sugar is nothing but sucrose, a natural compound found in plants and fruits. Surely not all dopamine signalling is bad, just bad/prolonged signalling.

Sure, it does cause an insulin spike that causes insulin resistance in the long term but in selective use of blood sugar spiking lies its utility.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by pazimzadeh on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:36PM (#21119888)
Cocaine is also a natural compound. So's cyanide. Pretty sure the 'invisible hand' demonized animal fats and promoted sugar, and now people are are starting to come to their senses.
Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by machinelearning on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:38PM (#21119902)
Do you have a source showing that Cocaine is a natural compound?

Perhaps the invisible hand did demonize animal fats and promote sugar but how is that in any way related to my argument?

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by pazimzadeh on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:42PM (#21119941)
Cocaine is found in coca leaves.

"The pharmacologically active ingredient of coca is the cocaine alkaloid, which is found in the amount of about 0.3 to 1.5%, averaging 0.8%" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca

Can you clarify what your argument is?

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by machinelearning on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:47PM (#21119994)
1. So you just contradicted yourself. Cocaine is not a naturally occurring compound but one extracted through a synthetic process specifically to inhibit re-uptake of certain neurotransmitters.

2. On the other hand, sugars have a very important purpose in the body and is present in fruits/vegetables.

3. Like my comment states, prolonged abuse of sugars certainly have negative effects, but as evident from the comment chain, people argue that any and all use of sugar is bad. That's the kind of coarse thinking that I think is harmful.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by pazimzadeh on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:53PM (#21120042)
How did I contradict myself - I pointed out to you that cocaine is a naturally occurring compound, which it is.

"Cocaine is not a naturally occurring compound but one generated through a synthetic process specifically to inhibit re-uptake of certain neurotransmitters"

No, cocaine is extracted from coca leaves, it is not synthesized. Refined sugar is also extracted from plants - same thing.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by machinelearning on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:00PM (#21120088)
You are commenting on an older version of what I commented. I had already corrected that before your comment.

I do know that cocaine alkaloids are extracted from plants. Sugar is not necessarily extracted from plants. Its not the same thing. You can simply eat 1-2 servings of most fruit to get the same amount of sugar as a can of soda. It doesn't have to be potent to be found in nature.

Still, I don't see where your argument is going, we're arguing about the moderate use of sugar. The incans chewed on coca leaves and it seemed to enhance their long distance endurance. Are you arguing that any amount of sugar is de facto bad?

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by pazimzadeh on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:13PM (#21120163)
I'm not sure what comment you're referring to, but you said "Refined sugar is nothing but sucrose, a natural compound found in plants and fruits" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21119863

You're the one who mentioned refined sugar. Nowhere have I said that any amount of sugar is bad. On the other hand, the parts of fruit that are beneficial are not the fructose (which is even worse for you than sucrose, which I assume is what you're talking about) but the vitamins, flavonoids and other compounds.

We can agree that sugar is not de facto bad. Where we apparently disagree is that refined sugar is not bad. I still eat it - doesn't make it good.

I would argue that coca leaves are not de facto bad, but refined cocaine is much closer to bad (though I hear it's really the impurities in street stuff that are bad.)

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by machinelearning on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:23PM (#21120234)
1. Re-read the comment you quoted and you'll see what comment I'm referring to.

2. If you need a source to prove that table sugar is sucrose here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_sugar

3. Finally, you're close to understanding my point (and what I presume is the orignal commenter's).

As far as we know, a moderate amount of refined sugar is not bad once in a while since it helps to increase blood glucose levels like any other source of sugar. (I'm intentionally disregarding the insulin spiking aspect of it here since I've already addressed that in a previous comment.) The fact that you and various other are against moderate sugar consumption (the original commenter's claim), shows how brainwashed the masses are.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by vnth93 on Monday September 30, 2019 @08:49PM (#21121013)
Are people campaigning against moderate use of sugar or the pervasiveness of sugary products? In some way the drug analogy is also true concerning the dosage and manner of which the two were commercialized and not just the reward mechanic. There is nothing particularly noteworthy about the consumption of the coca leaves as the various indigenous groups had done for centuries. Coca tea is still being drank is certain places. It is only a problem after the British discovered how to profit tremendously from the extracted alkaloid.
Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by saagarjha on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:39PM (#21119908)
> a natural compound found in plants and fruits

So is cyanide and ricin.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by machinelearning on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:40PM (#21119931)
Is cyanide/ricin used by the body for energy and/or ubiquitous in nature?
Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by pazimzadeh on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:47PM (#21119996)
DMT is. Should we consume DMT in the same way we consume sugar? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N,N-Dimethyltryptamine
Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by machinelearning on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:52PM (#21120039)
Has DMT been shown to be vital for the healthy functioning of the human body? And does it necessarily have to be consumed to have ample levels in the body? I won't comment on your loaded phrasing of "the same way we consume sugar", but I think its obvious you're trying really hard to strawman my argument.
Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by pazimzadeh on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:58PM (#21120075)
I think you are either unwilling or unable to read the scientific literature (which I've conveniently linked for you).

None of what you are saying is correct. You do not need to consume refined sugar to have "ample levels" in your body.

Is consuming refined sugar vital for the healthy functioning of the human body?

FYI, it's not 100% clear whether humans produce DMT but it's highly likely https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-45812-w.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by machinelearning on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:06PM (#21120118)
A wikipedia article is your notion of scientific literature? lol

Anyways, I did read it and if you don't realize by now, my questions are rhetorical since you don't seem to have a strong logical foundation.

>> Is consuming refined sugar vital for the healthy functioning of the human body?

This is what I'm referring to as strawmanning my argument. Surely this is true of sugar in general and while I was referring to refined sugar as a potential vehicle for getting sugar into the body you decided to act as though I'm proposing getting 100% of your sugar intake from refined sugar.

Your link strengthens what I just said. If DMT is produced endogenously surely its different from sugar that has to be consumed.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by pazimzadeh on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:24PM (#21120240)
I didn't think you needed my help to follow the trail of citations, but here you are. I'm sure you're going to dive right into these:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8075769, https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/42756923.pdf

Sugar does not have to be consumed. Your body can convert protein into glucose. Your microbiota can convert fiber in short-chain fatty acids that feed your cells. You can also function without sugar (look up the ketone diet).

Maybe you should be more precise and not expect others to read your mind.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by machinelearning on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:36PM (#21120326)
You seem very confused as to what the argument is.

Sigh...just think about it a little more carefully before responding. Did I ever make the argument that sugar is never produced endogenously? And does that invalidate my point that some consumption of sugar is one way to keep the body functioning healthily?

I don't have a doctorate but I'm very comfortable with reading academic articles - your condescension is not welcome here.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8075769 Discusses the various impurities illicit cocaine contains. What is the purpose of citing this exactly? This is so far related from the original argument.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/42756923.pdf Breaks down the various alkaloids in cocaine leaves and is unrelated to what your point is.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by pazimzadeh on Monday September 30, 2019 @09:24PM (#21121163)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8075769

"In-depth chromatographic analyses of illicit cocaine and its precursor, coca leaves."

At this point I can't tell if you're trolling or just can't handle disagreement.

> And does that invalidate my point that some consumption of sugar is one way to keep the body functioning healthily

That certainly wasn't your claim. The above is a very vague statement that no one would disagree with.

You made the point that sugar is a naturally occurring substance, so I and others pointed out that being "natural occurring" is in no way sufficient to suggest that a substance is healthy or not, especially if the substance is refined (e.g. cyanide, ricin, cocaine, DMT, on and on..)

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by machinelearning on Monday September 30, 2019 @10:26PM (#21121445)
>> "In-depth chromatographic analyses of illicit cocaine and its precursor, coca leaves."

...And your point is? Why do you get the impression that we disagree on this? I have already known this for many years.

>> "natural occurring" is in no way sufficient to suggest that a substance is healthy or not

This is not something I claimed at all. It is absurd to extrapolate this from my argument.

If you read closely, it was in the context of it being engineered for a dopamine spike, aka a drug. Maybe the argument could have been better stated by stating that moderate use of sugar typically equates to the same amount that is generally found in a diet consisting of natural, unprocessed and healthy foods.

I didn't think it would be possible to interpret the argument in such a non-nuanced and obtuse way, evidently I'm wrong.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by pazimzadeh on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @02:39PM (#21129049)
You asked me for a source proving that cocaine is a natural compound, and once provided with one you still thought it was synthesized and not extracted from coca leaves. But now you're telling me you knew all along.

I now realize you don't quite pass the Turing test but honestly it was close, hats off to the programmers.

Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by whenchamenia on Monday September 30, 2019 @09:38PM (#21121225)
Glucose is not vital, you can run on ketones just fine. Quit with the dogma already.
Re:New research questions the evidence for health benefits o... by machinelearning on Monday September 30, 2019 @10:26PM (#21121449)
Who ever said glucose is vital? It is another source of fuel that is well used by the body, some might argue more than ketones. The point is moderate use of sugar is healthy, not that its vital to use sugar.