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Re:Employers Used Facebook to Keep Women and Older Workers f... by repolfx on Monday September 30, 2019 @04:52AM (#21113004)
How many firms don't offer maternity leave? Outside of tiny 5 person startups that don't have any HR policies at all that seems like a strawman.

As for men making condescending comments towards women, that's not a systematic problem with a systematic solution. And women (or really, feminists) pretty routinely make condescending comments towards men in my experience, at a much, much greater rate. The idea that women face a hostile work environment and men don't is the inversion of my own experience. Men face a much more hostile environment. The last thing the software industry needs is ramping up the hostility towards men even more because that's the only way feminists can think of to increase the number of female hires.

Re:Employers Used Facebook to Keep Women and Older Workers f... by TeMPOraL on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:50AM (#21113313)
I think what the warring feminist faction doesn't understand (or does and ignores) is that their actions are breeding fear and resentment towards women. There's a spectrum here, On the consequence-less wrong end you have assholes getting away with sexist comments toward their women colleagues[0]. In the desirable middle, you have everyone treating everyone else with proper professional respect. But on the other bad end, you have every male in the office becoming tense and extremely self-conscious in presence of their women co-workers, because of the perceived risk that they may be dealing with someone that gets easily offended about random things and is ready to create a stink with HR for it[1].

Now, I see the feminist movement in our industry definitely overshooting towards that other bad end, and it doesn't really matter that most women are reasonable - the mere possibility of chancing into someone unreasonable drives overly cautious behavior. There is such a thing as pushing too hard. Stirring a conflict of sexes may have been the fastest way to enact change, but the antagonistic atmosphere isn't going to just dissipate itself.

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[0] - I mean the cases that make women uncomfortable; I've worked with women whose sexual innuendos during regular office chats made me uncomfortable.

[1] - Or, worst case, someone who does that on purpose, to advance their career at the expense of others. There's always a fraction of people of both genders ready to play dirty, but in current environment one of them is now armed with a superweapon.

Re:Employers Used Facebook to Keep Women and Older Workers f... by amanaplanacanal on Monday September 30, 2019 @01:16PM (#21117530)
I wonder how widespread this really is, though. Before I retired I worked in IT, an my particular team was about 50-50 men and women. I certainly didn't feel anything like

> every male in the office becoming tense and extremely self-conscious in presence of their women co-workers, because of the perceived risk that they may be dealing with someone that gets easily offended about random things and is ready to create a stink with HR

Re:Employers Used Facebook to Keep Women and Older Workers f... by lovetocode on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:06AM (#21113387)
The largest employer in the United States does not offer paid maternity leave — the U.S. Government. My wife whom is a federal employee did not receive maternity leave. Instead she was forced to use two years of forwarded sick leave.
Re:Employers Used Facebook to Keep Women and Older Workers f... by wolco on Monday September 30, 2019 @09:33AM (#21115145)
Why isn't it a law like everywhere else in the world. In Canada men and women get maternity leave at the country level. Why put this in the hands of employers? or on the backs of a 5 person company?

Seems like things are setup to fail.

Re:Employers Used Facebook to Keep Women and Older Workers f... by repolfx on Monday September 30, 2019 @08:14AM (#21114429)
I didn't know that! Thanks. I wonder why that's the case. Is that normal in the States?
Re:Employers Used Facebook to Keep Women and Older Workers f... by lovetocode on Monday September 30, 2019 @09:34AM (#21115158)
It blew my mind too. No it isn't normal at all in the states which is why I found it so unbelievable until I researched it. All of my commercial employers offered paid maternity and paternity leave. There are movements now for passing legislation to get federal employees paid maternity leave but nothing has come of it yet from what I understand.