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Re:Online courses vs. colleges for software engineering by ineedasername on Sunday September 29, 2019 @10:31AM (#21107235)
Yes, success on your level, without college, is possible. However, your experience is very much an outlier. Someone that is internally motivated, has goals & direction (even if they change) will often find a way to a professional career. That is not the situation for a vast majority of students though. I think if someone gets to college and says, "I know what I want to do, and it doesn't require this", then there's no issue with getting out of there. Heck, you could always go back. Most students I see leaving college though have no direction and immediately enter low paying jobs with few better prospects on the horizon.

On the other hand, colleges do need to really rethink their education model. I fully believe in the value of a core or liberal arts education, it provided useful analytical & communication skills, but there needs to be a significant pivot towards more concrete marketable skills. At the community college level, there is an excellent degree type for this: The Associates of Applied Science, or AAS. It has some, but reduced humanities requirements and focuses much more on career skills of the chosen area, all of which have specific, immediately accessible job opportunities. The really unfortunate part of this degree, however, is that is very hard to build upon later at a 4 year school to finish a bachelors if you so choose: the credits either don't transfer or transfer as electives, not requirements towards a degree. Again, a major pivot is needed for traditional 4 year schools.

Re:Online courses vs. colleges for software engineering by newvoiceoldphne on Sunday September 29, 2019 @11:39AM (#21107651)
Marketable skills are easy to learn, it's the thinking behind the learning that is tough to get. HOW to think is much more important. And I'm not at all sure that that can be taught.

'Common sense ain't so common' is a trite aphorism, but very true.

Re:Online courses vs. colleges for software engineering by ineedasername on Sunday September 29, 2019 @03:07PM (#21109013)
I think "how to think" can be taught at least a little bit. In mathematics you learn a very formalized method of finding (usually) the single correct answer. In the humanities, with textual analysis, you learn a different type. But it does take practice, and adequate instructors. And of course the average person will never come to it quite as well as someone with the natural aptitude. I occasionally teach a course in informal logic, which is a sort of cross section between rhetoric and logic as applied to both argument construction, deconstruction, & analysis. I definitely see students progress along the way, starting with clumsy stumbling and proceeding to address new novel problems with decent aptitude.