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Re:GE, NASA Partner to advance the future of electric flight by jillesvangurp on Sunday September 29, 2019 @03:34AM (#21105683)
Quite long but it's the wrong question to ask. The reason that huge jets that cost in the order of hundreds of millions and burn tens of thousands of liters of fuel per flight are interesting at all is that their scale adds up to a reasonable fuel cost per passenger.

Electric flight does not have this problem and nor does it have the scale advantage. Flying smaller electrical planes is more efficient on a kwh per passenger basis. It's also easier to build them technically.

The SF to LA route is well in range for the Eviation Alice that should hit the market in the next few years. The variant they are advertising carries 9 passengers + 2 crew or 1,250kg of useful load for a bit over 1000 kilometers (including the required extra range) using 900kwh of batteries. This thing is supposedly entering certification after next year and should start hitting the market in a few years.

This is obviously not a jet but the economics of flying this thing are very different. It completely destroys the business case for that. You charge it with cheap electricity. The unit cost is in the order of 3M$, it can fly in and out of any small airport, and it makes a lot less noise. One full charge would cost about 50-100 $ depending on how cheap you can get your electricity. Probably lower than that given improvements in cost of e.g. solar.

For the price of 1 737, you could buy a few dozen of these. It can do a lot of things a big noisy jet can't do while being cheaper at it. Imagine a fleet of about 10000 of these flying back and forth all over California to any of the dozens of small airports. Deploying that amount of planes will take a few decades probably. Over that time you can expect improvements in range, battery efficiency and economies of scale. So, bigger, faster, cheaper happens as well.

I'm not sure it will ever make sense to cram hundreds of people in an electrical plane. But why would you want to when the small ones eventually drop in price to a couple of tens to hundreds of K each and fly you from A to B autonomously for the price of a cup of coffee?

Re:GE, NASA Partner to advance the future of electric flight by benj111 on Sunday September 29, 2019 @04:20AM (#21105851)
You've missed out the crew though.

Currently the cost of pilot and co pilot are amortized over 100s of passengers.

You've quoted 2 crew to 9 passengers, and I'd have guessed 3 crew (pilot, co pilot, Air Host(ess))

Obviously when we get to autonomous flight that will change, flights will never be completely crewless though.

Re:GE, NASA Partner to advance the future of electric flight by jillesvangurp on Sunday September 29, 2019 @05:54AM (#21106151)
Most business jets today operate without an air hostess and some of them use only 1 pilot. I think the FAA limit for that is around 9 passengers. But you are right that that kind of cost is going to be dominating the overall cost.
Re:GE, NASA Partner to advance the future of electric flight by 0xffff2 on Sunday September 29, 2019 @01:06PM (#21108204)
Business jets generally operate under completely different regulations (part 135 or part 91) from commercial air travel (part 121).
Re:GE, NASA Partner to advance the future of electric flight by mikysco on Sunday September 29, 2019 @04:14AM (#21105836)
Love the perspective you present. It made me smile as a system of small, cheap, efficient planes would drastically change the way we think about human movement. So much potential and IMO, a pretty classical "technologist" style paradigm-shift... Creating demand for a service that didn't exist before and simultaneously solving the original problem (expensive, polluting air travel) as a byproduct.
Re:GE, NASA Partner to advance the future of electric flight by gugagore on Sunday September 29, 2019 @04:16AM (#21105841)
That's interesting information, thanks.

Probably a smaller plane takes less time to taxi, take off, land, etc. Still it seems like if you increase significantly the number of flights in and out of an airport, you'll run into some serious congestion issues.

Re:GE, NASA Partner to advance the future of electric flight by jillesvangurp on Sunday September 29, 2019 @06:05AM (#21106184)
Congestion issues are easily addressed because small electrical planes don't need huge runways and produce a lot less noise. I'm not sure if the Eviation Alice is rated for grass landings but it would not surprise me that this was possible. There are close to a hundred GA airports all over California; more if you include all the grass and dirt strips.

Additionally, you could build dozens to hundreds of airstrips in and around big cities. The Eviation Alice still takes off horizontally. But there are plenty of vtol designs out there as well.

The real issue is going to be upgrading ATC to deal with thousands of vehicles flying at the same time. Current operations with it's roots in analog technology from mid last century is just not going to scale for that.