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Re:Plane Tests Must Use Average Pilots, NTSB Says After 737 ... by perl4ever on Saturday September 28, 2019 @03:25PM (#21102333)
I don't have any technically knowledgeable comments to make, but I think if you don't fully understand what happened, there's no excuse for doggedly insisting one group of people involved should be given the benefit of the doubt and the other not. It's reasonable to assume we lack something when it comes to the crew's POV.

Actually, I have one thing to contribute, that I often think of whenever I read about an air disaster. Experts frequently say "why didn't the operators do logical thing X?", and I think there is a practically universal answer. Whenever something unusual goes wrong, it is likely to upset your existing logical model. You know either your logic is faulty or the inputs to your model are wrong, but which is it and how?

It's easy to say "just do A, B, and C as trained", but once jolted out of your mental context, you probably can't regain it in a few seconds or minutes before crashing. The impossible task is not to know the necessary actions according to the book, but regaining the trust that they are the right ones in the face of something unexpectedly violating your assumptions.

Developing a new logical model for reality is very difficult even for highly trained people, particularly under time constraints and life-or-death pressure. Or, even the meta-problem of knowing whether it is time to develop a new model of reality.

Re:Plane Tests Must Use Average Pilots, NTSB Says After 737 ... by mlyle on Saturday September 28, 2019 @04:17PM (#21102618)
I really don't understand many of the responses to what I'm saying.

I have already stated that MCAS was a horrible screwup and failure in analysis and regulation. Any system that routinely puts people to the test requiring high performance to avoid death is bad.

That doesn't mean one should ignore the other weaknesses. Given that both the countries with crashes didn't require pilots to demonstrate coping with stab trim runaway as part of type training... and pilot understanding of the stab trim system under stress seems lacking... maybe that should be addressed too.