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Re:What do executives do, anyway? by jononor on Saturday September 28, 2019 @08:27AM (#21099965)
Majority of athletes and musicians are paid extremely little, if anything at all. It is only the top 0.1% that takes home serious money.
Re:What do executives do, anyway? by hirako2000 on Saturday September 28, 2019 @08:47AM (#21100030)
Spot on. And excutives are the 0.1% of the staff. They climbed up to the top levels of responsibility.

Whether they bullshited their way through is another story. But I do see some artists who climbed their way to the top selling charts, with little artistic talent.

Why people buy the bullshit from imposters, whether them be artists or executives, that is an interesting question.

Re:What do executives do, anyway? by jorvi on Saturday September 28, 2019 @12:03PM (#21101103)
> Spot on. And excutives are the 0.1% of the staff. They climbed up to the top levels of responsibility.

I think you meant top levels of decision making.

Executives rarely deal with the fall-out of bad decisions. Management and normal workers get axed, executives get a golden parachute and a cushy board job at another company from one of their fellow executives. In other words, they carry zero consequences and thus zero responsibility for their actions.

Re:What do executives do, anyway? by tomnipotent on Saturday September 28, 2019 @03:13PM (#21102272)
> Executives rarely deal with the fall-out of bad decisions

This is a fantasy. Executives come-and-go at the same cadence as regular employees as a % of staff. Look at any exec on LinkedIn and you'll see the same 18-36 month stints as everyone else.

Re:What do executives do, anyway? by Yizahi on Sunday September 29, 2019 @05:51AM (#21106143)
Yes, they come and go, by their own decision. For promotions, bigger salaries and other reasons. How many executives were actually fired for underperforming? What is even underperforming for that type of job?
Re:What do executives do, anyway? by tomnipotent on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @12:31PM (#21138291)
> by their own decision

Another fantasy. Plenty of execs are fired, it's just handled differently at that level.

> How many executives were actually fired for underperforming?

A lot.

> What is even underperforming for that type of job?

Poor performance, just like anyone else that's fired.

Re:What do executives do, anyway? by tomnipotent on Saturday September 28, 2019 @03:10PM (#21102255)
They're actually the top 1.5-2%, at least in the US.

There are roughly ~170M working folk of which an estimated 2.5-3M are "top executives".

Re:What do executives do, anyway? by AdrianB1 on Saturday September 28, 2019 @03:54PM (#21102488)
Executives of small companies should not be counted, I really doubt they are paid as much as the rest of the company if the entire company is 200 people. For big companies of over 10,000 people there are not enough companies to have that many top executives.
Re:What do executives do, anyway? by tomnipotent on Saturday September 28, 2019 @07:11PM (#21103678)
> as the rest of the company if the entire company is 200 people

It's easy to confuse income with capital and earning potential. There are no shortage of well-off restaurant owners or other small-business owners with < 200 employees - I run into no shortage of them in Los Angeles. Thomas Keller, Gordon Ramsey, and their less-known partners make a lot more than their staff. It may not manifest in 1000x annual pay, but it definitely manifests as 1000x quality of life thanks to the magic of compound interest and financial leverage.

Being a capitalist puts you in an entirely different game - salaried or hourly employees are not capitalist, they're labor. This makes a big difference to banks and other money lenders, further giving leverage for future earnings potential.

Re:What do executives do, anyway? by AdrianB1 on Saturday September 28, 2019 @03:52PM (#21102476)
It is not the point of the argument, but the "pay 50x". The top 0.1% of the athletes that take home serious money (50x more than average, let's say) don't work (train) 50 times harder, they are just successful at what they do; they are paid for success, not for the effort.
Re:What do executives do, anyway? by tomnipotent on Saturday September 28, 2019 @03:08PM (#21102243)
> Majority of athletes

The average salary/income for any major league sport puts all of them in the top 1-2%. Baseball min is around $500k, NBA is around $480k.

Re:What do executives do, anyway? by mamon on Saturday September 28, 2019 @05:16PM (#21102928)
How many basketball players never make it to NBA? Major leagues are elitte, there are thousands of players at lower levels.
Re:What do executives do, anyway? by tomnipotent on Saturday September 28, 2019 @05:48PM (#21103088)
If we're comparing executives at top companies vs. not, it's a fair comparison.

Most executives don't make it into the "big league", and those that do are paid pretty much like their pro athlete counterparts. In the U.S., the NFL is in the $16-25bn in annual revenues; NBA is ~$3-5bn; MLB ~ $11bn. Think about how well players are paid relative % of revenues.

Google is at $110bn. Microsoft $125bn. Apple ~$258bn. There are "pro executives" that pull in big paychecks because, just like their pro athlete counterparts, they make a difference. We just don't get to watch them at work and score their every move with easy-to-track-stats.

No one bats an eye when a pro athlete is paid $10m+ (besides other pro athletes).