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Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by yardstick on Saturday September 28, 2019 @03:20AM (#21098957)
I believe the difference is in both of your examples, the “victim” wouldn’t be committing a crime. Imagine if employees were jailed for accepting sub minimum wage, rather than just the employer.
Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by petra on Saturday September 28, 2019 @03:43AM (#21099028)
That's just an historical artifact, and in some countries it's changing - now the clients get arrested instead of sex workers.
Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by chrischen on Saturday September 28, 2019 @03:46AM (#21099037)
What are they being protected from? Immorality?

A lot of the dangers to sex workers is because of these protections forcing them to go underground and work with shady exploitative dealers and trafficking.

Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by speedplane on Saturday September 28, 2019 @03:51AM (#21099053)
> A lot of the dangers to sex workers is because of these protections forcing them to go underground and work with shady exploitative dealers and trafficking.

This is the older viewpoint. The newer one is that no one would consensually agree to sex work unless they were coerced. I am not in a position to opine on that viewpoint, but if it's true, then every sex worker is being exploited regardless of any laws or regulations.

Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by chrischen on Saturday September 28, 2019 @04:37AM (#21099195)
If you asked most people they'd rather be able to live without having to do their primary employment, even if they don't mind their job. I'd say that's being coerced too, and sex work just sounds like any other job by that definition.

"No one would consensually agree to [insert other menial job here] unless they were coerced."

Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by ownagefool on Saturday September 28, 2019 @05:19AM (#21099347)
It can be a relatively well paid job too.

I can't speak for everyone or everywhere, but we definitely have documentries in the UK where women claim to do sex work because it afford them a specific lifestyle and they'd rather be there than a supermarket.

In fact, I've met such woman and the suger baby approach is fairly popular with students nowadays. They're not doing it for basic food and warth, they're doing it for chanel and gucci.

I'm not sure that moralising their ability to consent away from them is the right thing to do, but it's also probably true that cost of living rises and advertising budgets have contributed to this.

Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by speedplane on Saturday October 05, 2019 @12:21AM (#21163785)
> If you asked most people they'd rather be able to live without having to do their primary employment, even if they don't mind their job. I'd say that's being coerced too, and sex work just sounds like any other job by that definition.

Making children work in a factory, forcing slaves to work under threat of violence, or even paying consenting adults to work grueling hours in dangerous jobs without medical recourse is bad. Paying employees to do something that's menial or boring is not.

The standards of what is acceptable or not certainly change over time, but conflating coercion and acceptable remuneration is a silly equivocation.

Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by mozey on Saturday September 28, 2019 @05:22AM (#21099352)
Good point, but I would guess sex work is not a menial job by a long shot. Being good at it probably requires more social skills than most jobs. If you meant lacking prestige, then yes, in some peoples eyes.
Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by 413x on Saturday September 28, 2019 @04:37AM (#21099196)
Well, same can be said about practically any job. Or do people clean and fry burgers just out of pleasure?
Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by kaitai on Saturday September 28, 2019 @07:55AM (#21099859)
The newer newer viewpoint is to support sex workers in self-determination and labor organizing.

Edited to add that this is discussed explicitly in the article, as it mentions for instance the migrant sex worker collective Red Canary Song.

Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by ericd on Saturday September 28, 2019 @04:09AM (#21099106)
I don’t know much about this topic, but I would guess that it’s the structure of society doing most of the coercing in most cases. Which the government has at least some power to fix via improved social safety net programs.
Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by philwelch on Saturday September 28, 2019 @06:41AM (#21099616)
Trafficking increases rather than decreases in jurisdictions with legalized prostitution.
Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by mantap on Saturday September 28, 2019 @07:54AM (#21099850)
How is that measured? I would think it would be rather hard to measure an activity that is illegal and clandestine.

Also 'trafficking' is a term that needs a precise definition as it means different things to different people.

Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by philwelch on Saturday September 28, 2019 @02:20PM (#21101958)
Re:Cash/Consent: The war on sex work by CompanionCuuube on Monday September 30, 2019 @01:38PM (#21117767)
Isn't an increase in the reported amount of trafficking to be expected in legalization? Legalization means that they have to worry less about being criminalized while reporting being a victim of crime.