Ultraprocessed Foods – A New Theory of Obesity

Re:Ultraprocessed Foods – A New Theory of Obesity by bena on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @01:27PM (#21072974)

The point is that carbohydrates are calorie dense. You don't need to eat a lot of them to get a lot of calories.

Fish is one of the least calorie dense meats. Vegetables and fruits are some of the least calorie dense foods. It's nearly impossible to eat enough lettuce in a day to go over your daily recommended calories. It just won't fit.

So, in a lot of ways, keto, paleo, vegan, Mediterranean diets are all sneaky ways to cut out a major source of calories. You don't have to count them because just the way you're eating is taking care of that aspect.

But if you want to eat Twinkies exclusively, you can do that as long as you eat only so many.

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Re:Ultraprocessed Foods – A New Theory of Obesity by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @04:44PM (#21075206)

Fat is more calorically dense than sugar, and your examples are all low in fat as well - vegetables and fruits have more carbs than either protein or fats - and the high calorie examples (ie. Avacado) of those categories are high in fat. Fish has few fats and no sugars. The most calorific cuts of meat aren't that way because they are sugary, it's because they are fatty. It's just that fats lead to satiety quicker than carbs, but I'll bet if you ate pork belly for every meal you'd find that you could and would get fat on that.

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Re:Ultraprocessed Foods – A New Theory of Obesity by bena on Thursday September 26, 2019 @09:16AM (#21080615)

I didn't say they excluded all major source. I said a major source.

Yes, paleo and keto (I think) don't exclude fat, but they are excluding a major source of calories. Because we do need some fat in our diet or else we go into rabbit starvation.

There's nothing really in bread or refined sugar that we need that we aren't getting from somewhere else.

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Re:Ultraprocessed Foods – A New Theory of Obesity by alexhutcheson on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @04:23PM (#21074937)

Fat is 2.25x as calorie dense (Cal/g) as carbs.

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Re:Ultraprocessed Foods – A New Theory of Obesity by bena on Thursday September 26, 2019 @09:19AM (#21080627)

And? We already eat fat pretty sparingly. Whereas with sugar, you can color it and fluff it up and people will eat a giant cloud of it.

So, when you point out where I said those diets cut out all major source rather than a major source, feel free to continue.

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