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Re:Ask HN: Co-founder leaving a startup for free without equ... by rolltiide on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:10AM (#21061013)
> Maybe I’m missing something.

That the entity was never capitalized and the 60% founder paid for the app development out of his own pocket and plans to just reincorporate another entity and sell the app that way

Re:Ask HN: Co-founder leaving a startup for free without equ... by chasing on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:35AM (#21061283)
But Jim only owns 60% of the app. OP owns the rest. It doesn't matter if Jim put in $10m if the agreement is that they own the app 60/40.

Anyway, to echo other people: This is why you use clear contracts and try to deviate from the norm on these things only when you have to. Because otherwise disagreements become complex and expensive to resolve.

Re:Ask HN: Co-founder leaving a startup for free without equ... by mbreese on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @12:13PM (#21061697)
That depends heavily on those freelance contracts. If the company paid for it, then yes, the OP would own 60% of the IP. However, if it was paid for out of pocket by "Jim", then things can get a little fuzzy.
Re:Ask HN: Co-founder leaving a startup for free without equ... by mickeyM on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @03:53PM (#21063922)
I guess you mean I'd own 40%. Agree with the fuzzy part
Re:Ask HN: Co-founder leaving a startup for free without equ... by mickeyM on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:17AM (#21061104)
Thanks chasing, the problem may be what rolltiide mentioned - I'm not 100% sure whether Jim just can't establish a new company without me
Re:Ask HN: Co-founder leaving a startup for free without equ... by chasing on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:41AM (#21061348)
In your position I would assume I have rights of ownership and act like it until I was told definitively otherwise. He put in money, but you put in time and expertise, which is also a high-value thing. He can start a new company but he can't sell something he doesn't own. And if he does, keep a tab on the new company. If they do well, you may be able to go after them for being built on software you partially own. Don't just flip over and shrug.
Re:Ask HN: Co-founder leaving a startup for free without equ... by mickeyM on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:52AM (#21061468)
Yeah, after some comments from others I've realized that Jim doesn't really own all of the code/app. I guess that would be what I would do if he just starts a new company - wait and see what happens and if they get somewhere, I can go after them as you've mentioned. Thank you!
Re:Ask HN: Co-founder leaving a startup for free without equ... by hangonhn on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:49AM (#21061433)
If Jim can close shop and start a new company without using any of the original company's assets/IP/trademarks/goodwill then there's nothing you can do about it. He has essentially declared bankruptcy and started a new company on his own. However, if he can't do that and you outright own 40%, then like GP said, "he can stuff it" (love the wording BTW).

If the original company has any value to Jim, then you two should come to some reasonable agreement to settle the matter in a way that's acceptable to both of you.